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Day Of The Diesel

FP -- Diesel engines on average offer about 25% greater fuel efficiency than a traditional combustion engine, or roughly the same amount of a hybrid, says George Magliano, IHS Global Insight analyst. But the extra value comes in the selling price. The average diesel-powered vehicle will cost about $2,000 more than a traditional internal combustion engine, while a hybrid variation might cost upwards of $7,000, depending on the make and model, he says.

The diesel option on the Grand Cherokee in 2008 cost $6,000 extra, but the resale value of the diesel Grand Cherokee commands up to a $10,000 premium to the gas model today.

Mercedes-Benz, for example, estimates that between 75% and 85% of its customers will choose diesel when given both options.


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Submitted Feb 26, 2012 By: Jumpmaster82
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OGW
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:26:21 PM

There is nothing wrong with diesels except they pollute and stink more than a gas vehicle but they don't seem to tell you that the upkeep and maintenance cost is much higher than the same gas vehicle. Most new customers are shocked the first time they even price around for an oil change let along a major service repair. Look at all aspects before you purchase anything. It is a better risk purchasing a used gas vehicle than a used diesel vehicle if yoiu don't know the true history and how the previous owner drove and maintained it. I have many customer who wished they never heard the word diesel. They are the best for what they are intended to do, work and pull but don't make a good street racer. Have one for for heavy work at the shop but more fun driving the gas job for fun and pleasure.
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kingpin6
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:25:08 PM

They better get higher fuel mileage because diesel fuel cost 10-15% more than unleaded!
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jb107
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:22:02 PM

I am sticking with my gas model.
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Rageagainsttm
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:21:03 PM

no
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carloco75
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:20:05 PM

<~~2010 VW Jetta TDi w/automatic=minimum of 612 miles per tank...
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theschmuck
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:19:39 PM

going that way would just drive the prices out of range for the average worker with a family, stick with what works. As the saying goes,'if it isn't broken, don't fix it'.
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listerone
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:19:14 PM

For passenger cars at least diesels are better suited to highway driving than to city driving.A modern day diesel can run all day...every day...on an Interstate at 70mph.It's not a coincidence that large truck,buses and trains are all powered by diesel.
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ratones1
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:16:06 PM

INTERESTING!!!
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geoutpb
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:15:52 PM

Diesel is one way to go. I own a VW Jetta does 48 miles on the highway, and 35 miles in city driving.
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fueldrinkerOH
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:15:20 PM

While I was considering a diesel vehicle to replace my 2001 Dodge Quad Cab 4X4 as my everyday vehicle to save fuel, I opted for a Chevy Cruze Eco instead. I’ve never owned a Chevy before and I hope that I will not be disappointed, but so far I’m happy. The car now has 401 miles on it (not close to being broke in) but during the last 175 miles of combined driving I averaged 34.62 MPG from a relatively inexpensive vehicle that can run on regular.
Gasoline can save money too if you drive the right vehicle.
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boutmuet
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:13:23 PM

Diesel is priced lower than regular gasoline at many stations in California.
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PapaBobP
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:07:30 PM

got a Jetta TDI get closet to 525+ miles a tank city, 10,000 miles between scheduled maintenance. I've been averaging $50 to $60 a month on fuel. How you doin'?
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confetti
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:07:28 PM

Interesting!
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LostToo
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:06:15 PM

I never even thought of a Diesel as an opption. I guess they may be worth a second thought.
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silverbullet90
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:05:13 PM

Diesel's last much longer...
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inkedbiker74
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 7:00:50 PM

oh wait the car cost more.. and so does the fuel...
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FireFuz
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:59:33 PM

Diesel makes real good sense if you own any truck greater than a half ton.
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BigBillMI
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:56:24 PM

thank you
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ChuckGVT
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:54:52 PM

Stinky, noisy, and expensive fuel.
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Nicoalbum
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:52:09 PM

Please not much of diesel.
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Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:50:18 PM

No new news here! This has been true all along.
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JettaKnight
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:45:38 PM

DOS: Since diesels produce more torque, the engines must be made more robust, that's why they cost more. But with about 30% better fuel economy, they will pay for themselves (not including higher resale value). Currently, diesels don't enjoy the mass market share of regular gasoline engines. If they did, prices would certainly be lower (economy of scale).
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91Hilux
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:41:15 PM

To Mplato and all others who wonder about diesel passenger cars consider this:

Europe and Asia have been using passenger cars for decades. There are more diesel cars in Europe than gas, and in Japan almost every gas vehicle on the market has a hybrid and diesel version.

In other words, America is decades late to the diesel party.
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JettaKnight
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:40:46 PM

The real difference in the selling prices between diesels & hybrids is that manufacturers are automatically including premium packages in their hybrids. That skews the actual costs. If they were made available without those premium upgrades (available as options) then the prices of hybrids would be MUCH lower and comparable to the other vehicles in their offerings. That's where the manufacturers show their true colours: they want to sell fuel-saving vehicles only to customers with more money... as a status symbol, rather than a meaningful way to reduce the company's carbon footprint — they simply make more profit on the polluting junk that comprises their regular lineup. They've also been avoiding the clean-diesel technology, mostly because they don't own the rights to it and would have to license it.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:38:54 PM

I do like my 2007 Duramax deisel so much, it does smell, it is quiet, has plenty of pet. On the highway, I have got 20 MPG and this is in a Chevy Silverado 3500, 1 ton rating. It gets it job done, I do pull a fifth wheel with it at times. Deisels have been used in Europe for some time now in its vehicles.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:38:43 PM

I've had many of the same questions that nfldude mentioned. It seemed to me that a Diesel electric Hybrid would be ideal. And in terms of Average mpg they could be quite nice.

But it seems that one of the main reasons that Diesel Electrics haven't been brought to the market is cost. Diesel engines cost more than regular gas cars and hybrids also cost more so combining the two makes for an even more expensive car. Auto makers seem to think the two together would be prohibitively expensive.

According to an article in [L=http://www.autoevolution.com/news/text deleted/L] - "'Hybrid technology can be applied to any sort of powertrain. From the perspective of a hybrid, it makes no difference,' said Dave Buchko, a BMW spokesman, in 2008."

In 2008, Volkswagen developed a Golf TDI Hybrid concept, which used a 1.2-liter three cylinder common rail diesel engine and an electric motor. The car’s average mpg was 69 mpg which was better than Toyota Prius' 54 mpg. But the Diesel/Hybrid Golf (known as the Rabbit in North-America) would have been expensive to produce.

As they put it: " Petrol-electric hybrids are more expensive than conventional petrol cars, and diesels are also more expensive than their petrol counterparts. Combining the two would create a very expensive vehicle. A buyer would have to use it for a very long period of time in order to compensate for the high purchase price"

I suppose they might have been right that some folks wouldn't want to pay top dollar for a Volkswagen Rabit.

[Edited by: DOS at 2/26/2012 7:40:03 PM EST]
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yeehaw1073
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:37:57 PM

I know they've improved diesel but I still can't help but think of pollution when I think of it.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:36:29 PM

Go D
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mplato
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:36:27 PM

diesel is great for truck and trains....not sure if it will ever succed in personal vehicles.....never has taken off
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texasvet
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:35:28 PM

Diesels have come a long way the past decade or so, but I still prefer to use gasoline.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:27:45 PM

Not for me!
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mgune9
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:26:17 PM

not sure that waiting for the chance for a better resale "works" for me!!!
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gj35
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:24:53 PM

The smell makes me sick. I can't drive behind a diesel truck or car.
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egd
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:18:23 PM

sounds like a good choice, but for winter in Minnesota needs warm up time
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speedys
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:13:12 PM

Diesel is too high priced.
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dieselme2011
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:13:11 PM

My F350 diesel gets over 20 miles to the gallon on the highway
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BobBG
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:11:35 PM

Hopefully Americans will get on board with this technology.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:11:15 PM

Our diesel pickup is doing just fine
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:10:09 PM

It all balances out and they know this.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:09:24 PM

It's almost that much more expensive
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carloco75
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 6:03:36 PM

I like that I get over 600 miles from the same size tank. . . Verse only almost 390 miles. . .
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carloco75
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:59:06 PM

Any fuel that's more than 1.79 A gallon is a major rip...
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crashintuc34
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:55:23 PM

Too bad diesel is sky-high.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:54:16 PM

We should have the diesel option here.
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:53:03 PM

No, thanks.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:50:32 PM

Buy diesel, Go.
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nfldude
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:48:48 PM

Why is there not a hybrid that uses a small diesel engine? Or are there no small diesels? If diesel's are 'just as good' as hybrids, why not blend both technologies? Are diesel's harder to start, so the autostart feature in some hybrids will not work? Is this why large diesel trucks let their engines idle instead of stopping them while at truck stops?
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:45:16 PM

Every day is the day of the diesel.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:42:53 PM

To pricey for me.
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:39:01 PM

I own a 2004 Ford Excursion Diesel,as of today the price diference is the same to 25 cents.This huge truck with 4 wheel drive gets 18 m.p.g. on average.We also own a 1997 Suburban and it gets 15 m.p.g.We have 4 boys the diesel has big power and economy!
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 5:38:23 PM

it is still a fuel that is NOT renewable. CNG would be a much better non-renewable choice.
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