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Corn states the only ones not to ask EPA to temporarily waive ethanol RFS

GasBuddy Blog -- U.S. Senator Pat Toomey recently requested the EPA relax the requirements to blend an increasing amount of ethanol into gasoline. The RFS has mandated the use of corn-based ethanol in the United States since 2008. These standards require the use of 13.2 billion gallons of that ethanol in 2012 and 13.8 billion gallons in 2013.

In a letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, Sen. Toomey and six other senators asked the EPA not increase the renewable fuel standard in 2013 and keep it at the 2012 level, in response to the widespread drought. None of the Senators hailed from states that produce an abundance of corn.

Other letters to the EPA covering the same topic have included bipartisan lawmakers, so this is seemingly a "duh...


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DucatiRider
Rookie Author Maryland

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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 10:27:54 AM

I've got a crazy idea --

This is a democracy, correct? Or at least supposed to be?

Why not give people a choice rather than a mandate. Sell both at gas stations, watch what people buy.

I've seen so many gas stations that sell E85 and no one buys it because it is more expensive per unit of energy.
nstrdnvstr
Champion Author Twin Cities

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Message Posted: Nov 2, 2012 3:02:55 PM

Wow! rjhenn and I agree on something!

I have tried straight gasoline and E10 gasoline in several vehicles over the years. In every vehicle except the flex fuel one, mpg has been 10% lower with E10 fuel.

Thus adding ethanol to gasoline is like adding water to soup. It adds volume, but not more energy.
rjhenn
Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 5:19:35 PM

slicerette - "When Obama mandated that U.S. gov't Flexfuel Vehicles must used e85, U.S. gov't fuel consumption went up."

Quite likely, since you get less mpg from alcohol than from regular gasoline. The real question is, how did their oil consumption change.

That could go either way, though it seems most likely that they simply spent more money and used about the same amount of oil. Corn ethanol doesn't appear to be a viable path to reduced dependency on foreign oil.

slicerette
Champion Author South Bend

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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 12:13:11 PM

It gets worse - our gasoline prices went up this summer as the price of ethanol went up because of the drought. And if we are driving less and using less fuel but Obama's EPA is mandating that in 2013 -
More ethanol has to be put in less gasoline, then more E15 blender pumps will be installed and more mandates that Flexfuel vehicles must use e85.

When Obama mandated that U.S. gov't Flexfuel Vehicles must used e85, U.S. gov't fuel consumption went up.

Please Pres. Obama stop the increase of ethanol for 2013.

[Edited by: slicerette at 9/27/2012 1:16:10 PM EST]
pricewar
Champion Author Ogden

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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 10:33:25 PM

there goes my supply of tortillas
Edpap
Champion Author Pennsylvania

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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2012 8:23:19 AM

easy to see they are not team "America" players...not having "ethanol" money to contribute to all the politicians would be devastating.
albert2008
Champion Author Winnipeg

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:40:02 AM

plain old greed
Donatelo
Champion Author Dayton

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 9:26:24 AM

profits
99dakota
Champion Author Providence

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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 6:45:49 AM

What a coincidence!
gasokie
Champion Author Oklahoma

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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 3:48:33 PM

For the first time in a while they have a great price and market for their corn. Why should they help dismantle it?
albert2008
Champion Author Winnipeg

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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 10:31:37 AM

still greed
gasokie
Champion Author Oklahoma

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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:16:59 AM

Well...knock me over with a feather.
DesertRat2011
Champion Author Riverside

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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 5:49:19 PM

Ethanol can be made from other sugars so why pin it to only corn!!
Donatelo
Champion Author Dayton

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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 2:56:04 PM

food for fuel , not a good idea. we have oil fields that are huge in the midwest , but it is on national parks land. it is time to open these up and use our energy that we have. and not send the oil we drill overseas. we want energy independence, but we will not do what has to be done.
nevaeh04
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2012 10:17:36 AM

wow
99dakota
Champion Author Providence

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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2012 7:18:33 AM

Wonder why...
gasokie
Champion Author Oklahoma

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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 8:57:13 PM

Oh Corn States: Ask not what you can do for your country...but ask what can my country do for me!

Answer? Put more corn in your tank. Drive up that price!!
PaylessKY
Champion Author Kentucky

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Message Posted: Sep 3, 2012 8:31:30 PM

Well then, the feed corn should go for feed not ethanol.

[Edited by: PaylessKY at 9/3/2012 9:33:49 PM EST]
rjhenn
Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 5:33:29 PM

They don't use that kind of corn for ethanol. They use feed corn.
gasokie
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 10:26:26 AM

I just ate some corn on the cob. Best ever. Let's keep that corn out of my gas tank!
albert2008
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 10:07:24 AM

not good
stonecold5005
All-Star Author Waco

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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2012 8:11:20 AM

good
baddog58
Champion Author Texas

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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2012 2:54:06 PM

Hello!!! Our current, and hopefully outgoing, president is from one of those corn states. Good luck getting any change in requirements.
rocket_ron
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 11:10:10 AM

K
honda0105
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2012 4:55:29 AM

txrojo: shows your smart understanding of how government works.
txrojo2005
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 12:22:53 PM

Abolish all subsides.
Donatelo
Champion Author Dayton

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 9:47:15 AM

food for fuel not a good idea .
albert2008
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 8:21:40 AM

remove it all
honda0105
Champion Author Tallahassee

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 6:59:23 AM

we know, EtOH has never been the answer.
honda0105
Champion Author Tallahassee

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2012 6:58:36 AM

geeez... why do we think that is? Politics at its best?!
Donatelo
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 8:36:30 AM

food for fuel not a good idea.
csblesson
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 8:36:28 AM

Good
Marson
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 9:58:21 PM

The time is right to eliminate the ethanol debacle.
tidalwave3
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 6:28:28 PM

This is part of Agenda 21 and destroying the U.S. way of life and yes Congress through the years has give up its powers to agencies and now it is biting them in the A.....
TableTalk
Champion Author Virginia

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 5:27:44 PM

Where's my free choice? Where's my E0?
boldrph
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 3:41:17 PM

time to end the bush-era ethanol mandate and the stupid tax break
RoadKing95
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:44:32 PM

PTBpricer , you do know that the 15% mandate was from GW Bush, don't you? So by voting for change you must mean you'll be NOT voting Rebublican.
Me too!
FuelBarge
Champion Author Long Island

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:40:17 PM

This ethanol mandate needs to go. Besides not being an energy independent product (you need oil to farm the corn and oil to provide energy to make ethanol), we are suffering a loss of feed corn.
PTBpricer
Champion Author Virginia

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:27:24 PM

This EPA mandate and the stubbornness of not logically reducing or eliminating it is enough to make me vote for change in 2012.
DeeLA
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:23:26 PM

Old News.
Gas_Buzzer
Champion Author South Carolina

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:18:27 PM

EPA = Everyone's Pain (in the) Ass.
RFS = Really Flaky (and) Stupid
3mta3
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:14:00 PM

There shouldn't be a mandate on ethanol mixixng. It should be market driven. But I guess "Big Brother" nows what's best for us.
rjhenn
Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:07:31 PM

To answer the question: they should remove the mandate completely, until there are reliable sources of ethanol produced from non-food crops, such as algae, switchgrass or hemp. Even then, the level of the mandate should track available supply.

This whole affair simply demonstrates another major source of our current problems: too many hands out without thinking of what's good for the country as a whole.
tonoplast
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:07:09 PM

Politics trumps common sense, as usual.
ace12012
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:05:30 PM

read it before.
Bonanza
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:03:05 PM

Yesterday's news
ScottTee
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:00:14 PM

temporary? I say make it permanent.
19sheldon43
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 2:00:07 PM

Just another reason we don't get anywhere. In other words no progress
Lizzylou
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 1:57:58 PM

How many really use ethanol anyway???
snappytom2
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Message Posted: Aug 17, 2012 1:55:50 PM

Would you expect it to be otherwise?
Soglaos
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Repeat Thank you
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