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E15 could lead to minimum purchase of 4 gallons of conventional (E10) gasoline

GasBuddy Blog -- By now, many of you know that E15 has been approved and may soon make its way to a pump near you. What some of you don't know is that EPA rules may require you to buy at least four gallons of regular (E10) gasoline. First of all, the four gallon requirement would only apply at stations where E15 is sold from the same hose as E10 gasoline. If each grade of gasoline (E10 and E15) has its own hose, there would be no minimum requirement. However, since many stations have just one hose offering various types of gasoline, you may then be required to pump at least 4 gallons of E10 gasoline to mitigate the higher ethanol concentration left behind in the hose should someone buy E15 ahead of you.

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henryeOH
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 7:30:15 AM

Bunch of baloney
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:03:50 PM

Krsna: you're right, it is ridiculous.

As for EtOH and H2O / CxHy separation, that's not sooooo big, except perhaps in the icy Canadian weather.
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KrsnaDragon
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 1:57:22 AM

How ridiculous!
I believe ethanol is far too susceptible to phase separation to be used practically as a motor fuel, particularly in blends with an ethanol volume of more than E10.
I'm happy to know that at my two (2) favourite stations here in downtown Montréal, the 91-octane Premium grade gasoline contains no ethanol.

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honda0105
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 11:01:33 PM

CW: do you actually read the article?
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 1:06:09 PM

Wow, this is just fantastic...
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:09:29 AM

food for fuel is not a good idea in the first place. and what if droughts continue. raising gas milage standards would make more sence, we have the technology but it is being held back.
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 7:54:43 AM

This is just stupid.
If E-15 damages engines why are they selling it?

My lawnmower gas can is 2 gal. do I need to buy two more so I get 2 gal of E-10? Can I return the unwanted E-15?
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 4:45:43 AM

EtOH never was the right answer (unless one asks the wrong question(s)).
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:17:34 PM

I would say we are getting Hosed
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 5:33:35 PM

K
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slicerette
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:36:30 AM

However - while E15 is not mandatory, the EPA is mandating that more ethanol be used in 2013. We, the American Motorists - have been using less gasoline. If Obama's EPA is mandating more ethanol be used in 2013, then we, the American Motorists - may be offered less gasoline and more ethanol in various Ethanol Blends such as E15.

Remember, President Obama has already
mandated all U.S. Government Flex Fuel Vehicles use E85 blend.
This has caused increase U.S. Gov't Fuel usage. Ethanol gives worse mpg.

And Obama's United States Agriculture Dept. is giving out grants to your neighborhood gas stations to install these E15 Blender Pumps. Isn't this a special government give away to Big Oil?

[Edited by: slicerette at 9/25/2012 12:39:35 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:52:08 AM

So now the gas stations will further dilute our fuel with something that has less energy and is bad for some/most/all engines?

Idiocy.
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:49:44 AM

Once again, Patrick DeHaan is showing us his incompetency at understanding the Federal government. The Feds are only ALLOWING the dispensing of E15. There is absolutely no mandate that requires any refiner, distributor, or retailer to be forced to add or change over to E15 in their product line. E15 is totally optional. Add to all of this, this years' drought affecting the corn producing regions -- ethanol supplies will become so tight that what comes out of the nozzle at most gas stations will be almost pure oil-based gasoline. Remember, even E10 is not mandatory. The Feds legally bribe the refiners to add ethanol just so the Feds can substantiate their subsidies to the corn farmers who sell the corn for ethanol production. GO ELECTRIC!!! Patrick DeHaan--stick to what you know........
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:00:05 AM

The EPA has overstepped it's bounds. This is getting ridiculous. Ethanol costs more to produce than straight gasoline. This is just a ploy fostered by the Corn Lobby to increase farm output. It is also a bold step by King Hussein Obummer to bring down the economy in the U.S. to its knees. God help us is he gets re=elected in November
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:12:09 PM

kill the EtOH in gasoline.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 12:25:13 PM

From the Farm Industry blog "The USDA is accepting applications for federal Rural Energy for America (REAP) funds to help gasoline retailers install blender pumps.

This is designed to give consumers choice in the ethanol blends they use.

This is the second year that blender pumps have been authorized as part of the REAP program. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced last year that USDA had plans to install 10,000 blender pumps over the next five years."

Obama Admin's USDA is paying thousands of gas stations $30,000.00 each to install one of 10,000 E15 blender pumps.

[Edited by: slicerette at 9/24/2012 1:28:06 PM EST]
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slicerette
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:50:06 AM

Please Pres. Obama -
Stop EPA higher mandate for more ethanol in 2013 gasoline supply.
Stop giving $30,000 to gas stations to install these E15 blender pumps.
Stop mandating Federal vehicles use E85 in flex fuel vehicles, they use more gas.

We, the American Motorist, are using less gas - BUT Now we have to use more Ethanol? That's why Pres. Obama's EPA and USDA and Dept. of Energy
are pushing E15.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 11:47:46 AM

Mandating how many gallons we buy. Just make one or two pumps in a station to pump 93 and maybe that would help. Don't know if that is an option.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 9:06:44 AM

plain stupid
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:46:46 AM

I wonder how much it will be enforced? Does each fueling station have to turn people in for fueling less than 4 gallons?

Buy a diesel (car/truck/lawnmower/etc) and you can mitigate this problem very easily...
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 8:38:17 AM

Too. Much. Government.

Vote Libertarian, you won't get this crap.
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Message Posted: Sep 24, 2012 5:36:19 AM

Guess I will have to buy an electric lawn mower, then. I would hate to pour out 2 gal onto the pavement
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 8:14:59 PM

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Gee did we find out this summer that the Gov. can make you buy what it wants you to buy...
4 Gallons minimum when you need less than 4 gallons makes you a law breaker if you do not pump all 4 gallons...Humm...this is just the start what will be next that we will be forced to buy...
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 7:49:39 PM

Oh, haha. I come back and check for replies and click on read full story and I see that even I read it wrong. :D

It was simple after all, you can't pump less than 4 gallons if you want standard gasoline since E15 was passed, if the standard gasoline is pumped out the same hose that E15 is also pumped out of.

"All this information is sure to cause confusion..." :p
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Varaxis
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 5:07:12 PM

Are people reading this wrong? I read it as saying that they are introducing gasoline that has more ethanol in it, maybe to see how it works, though they want to limit the side effects of it, which means you probably can't have a full tank of E15 and have to pump 4 gallons of standard gasoline, so those who don't want E15 for whatever reason, don't suffer the consequences, when they go to pump their non-E15 fuel after someone who pumped E15.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 3:43:04 PM

Shouldn't be an issue...........there aren't many idiots out there who buy ethanol.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:29:30 PM

My thoughts per your request PD --

First we need to eliminate the EPA or all of the EPA regulations created during the last ten years.

Second we need to end ethanol use as an extender in our gasoline supplies. We can go to butanol or other alcohols with a higher carbon content than ethanol and not have any of these silly problems we now have due to our ethanol use.

Third, assuming the first or second suggestion is not followed by the US government, the EPA regulation requiring a minimum purchase of 4 gallons at any station that sells e15 and has one hose pumps should also be required by that same regulation to have a 6 foot by 6 foot sign posted under their fuel price sign telling one and all that this station has a four gallon minimum purchase requirement. That will make it easier for all motorist who value e15 as much a I do to completely avoid all stations that sell e15.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:13:22 PM

Absurd
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:13:14 PM

The intentions are good, but we are not there yet. We still do not have a viable solution to sustainable biofuels because we cannot afford to divert food to fuel production. We need more time to develop ways of extracting the starches from other plants.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:10:23 PM

Repeat article
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:09:54 PM

No corn in my tank.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:07:43 PM

Even after reading this story for the 3rd day in a row, I still don't like ethanol.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:04:37 PM

Why not make it illegal to use the same pump unless they can clear the hose of all content before the next customer. This is crazy, but that is our government again neither working or thinking.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:04:29 PM

OLD NEWS!
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 12:03:51 PM

more old news
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:59:09 AM

Eliminate E15, ethanol diluting gasoline, and rein in the EPA.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:58:39 AM

Bad plan. Just more red tape.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:56:55 AM

No E15 wanted.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:56:15 AM

old
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:56:13 AM

repeat
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:55:31 AM

yesterday news.
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As the space shuttle made it way over calif it passed over two wind fields.
The first field it pass over not one blade was revolving, on the 2nd
field only a very few propellers were moving. No wonder there is an energy problem
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:55:01 AM

E15 could lead to minimum purchase of 4 gallons of conventional (E10) gasoline? No Fuel from Food! This is not right, something has to be done to stop this! The EPA is meant to serve the public but is now out of control! BARRY!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, has a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:54:20 AM

Marinedad; Old news but important enough to be retreated
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:53:36 AM

Another old post.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:52:26 AM

This is yesterday's story. But I agree with bbreff and nsexy. get rid of Ethanol....NOW !!!!
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:51:32 AM

old news :(
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:50:33 AM

Old news. Get rid of the subsidy. Also old news. Nobody likes ETOH. Old. So why do we still have it? 43 days until the ejection.
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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:50:18 AM



OLD NEWS

A ethanol should be abolished.

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Message Posted: Sep 23, 2012 11:50:16 AM

Get rid of ethanol.......End of many problems!
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