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Feds give NY approval to replace Tappan Zee Bridge

GasBuddy Blog -- The federal government has approved the environmental impact statement and now has given New York the green light to replace the Tappan Zee Bridge. The state submitted a $5 billion plan and is requesting a low-interest federal loan of $2.9 billion, the most allowed by law, to move ahead.

Although financing still must be arranged and permits still must be obtained, NY's Governor Andrew Cuomo said he considers federal approval to be 'the biggest hurdle,' according to the New York Post.

The bridge's replacement is one of the nation's largest public works projects which was revived by Gov. Cuomo earlier this year after languishing in federal and state red tape for decades.

The bridge is a cantilever bridge in...


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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 11:27:31 PM

Here's some more:

The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways (commonly known as the Interstate Highway System, Interstate Freeway System or the Interstate) is a network of freeways that forms a part of the National Highway System of the United States.

As one of the components of the National Highway System, Interstate Highways improve the mobility of military troops to and from airports, seaports, rail terminals, and other military bases. Interstate Highways also connect to other roads that are a part of the Strategic Highway Network, a system of roads identified as critical to the U.S. Department of Defense.[28]

The system has also been used to facilitate evacuations in the face of hurricanes and other natural disasters. An option for maximizing traffic throughput on a highway is to reverse the flow of traffic on one side of a divider so that all lanes become outbound lanes. This procedure, known as contraflow lane reversal, has been employed several times for hurricane evacuations.
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 11:22:55 PM

@needmund

This bridge is part of the federal interstate system...think of it in military terms...what happens if you need to move troops between either sides of the Hudson. And since NY is "asking" for money, the Fed has a say in moving the project forward.
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2012 11:19:15 PM

The TZB has been in renovation mode forever! How much you wanna bet that once the new bridge is finished, it's gonna need renovations right off the bat!

And why the surprise over toll prices?? Look at what they charge NOW at the George Washington Bridge ($12) and the Verranzano-Narrows ($13)!!

I'm telling ya...need to be a millionaire to live in NY!!
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 11:46:57 PM

well, what's better? Let the bridge go and have ppl get killed (remember the bridge collapse a few years ago?) or build a new one and be rather safe?

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IrishCowboy
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 8:12:13 AM

170,000 per day at $14 each? That's $2,380,000 a day. It'll take almost 6 years to pay for itself. If you don't count the $5 it already costs, you have $9 in added revenue. That would take 9 years to pay for itself. So, at that point, the cost should drop back to $5, right? That's almost $1,000,000 a day in toll revenue! Should be plenty, right?
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MOREDLEG
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 5:23:44 AM

FIrst you have to ask mother may I, then you have to ask for the money? This is crap, the FED dont have any money either, we're broke
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DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:19:11 PM

That cost estimate is way too low
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flyfast
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 9:20:36 PM

old news
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indyjim
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 8:31:12 PM

That's a ton of money.
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GatorGuy
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 4:30:32 PM

about time...
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listerone
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 3:22:01 PM

Tappan Zee Bridge? I love it because you can see the Manhattan skyline while crossing.
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snappytom2
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 2:21:38 PM

Does the bridge go somewhere?
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tomok
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:58:58 PM

Feds give NY approval to replace Tappan Zee Bridge, 'The bridge's replacement is one of the nation's largest public works projects which was revived by Gov. Cuomo earlier this year after languishing in federal and state red tape for decades.' But, $5 Billion for a bridge, a low interest federal loan for $2.9 Billion, more than twice the toll after it's built and few jobs until next year, this is very wrong!
Just in time for Fred's November election! Will wonders never cease how fast things get approved when it's someone’s potential election advantage opportunity!
'Coming out of the closet' Fred's lousy, smoke and mirrors, lack of jobs, dog and pony show and in the crapper economy, the jobs are Not here. Fred's economy is not improving but continues to hurt the population and the job numbers continue to be down – no matter how smoooooth talking Fred spins those numbers! People will still drive and buy fuel no matter what but it sure helps to have a job too!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
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neemund
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:55:41 PM

I still don't see why New York needs to ask the Federal government for permission to replace a bridge that's entirely in New York.
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Car54BC08
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:25:42 PM

Without all the corruption in construction for projects like this, I wonder what the real cost is to replace the bridge?
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NemoIL
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:25:16 PM

What does this have to do with gas prices?
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CatMan623
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:22:55 PM

Also the New York State Thruway.

My question, poorly stated, was really about the environmental impact statement.
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CocoPaz
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:21:21 PM

Ratones1: ¡Hola mi amigo! Tell our listening audience what it was like living though 2 bridge reconstructions. While you are still in my old neck of the woods, with your ear to the ground, I am now in Paradise, blissfully ignorant of the happenings on the southern part of the 405.
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Cheepo
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:20:55 PM

Good luck with that traffic jam!!!!!!
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slvrdo_dsprdo
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:20:53 PM

CatMan623

Because the bridge is part of a federal highway, Interstate 87?
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slvrdo_dsprdo
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:20:10 PM

I understand we need to build bridges, but man, that's a bunch of money. Somebody's getting soaked somewhere. It ends up being you and me. $14 to cross a bridge? Really?
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CatMan623
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:20:08 PM

Can somebody tell me why the federal government has to approve New York replacing a bridge?

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MadTraveler
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:20:00 PM

Really worth that?
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seahawks
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:19:26 PM

income tax will have to go up!!!
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AcuraTSX
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:11:32 PM

Must be some bridge for 5 billion.
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snell snail
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:11:26 PM

...how'bout HIGH interest $3 Billion loan?????
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We, of the land of fruits and nuts, toffurkey and dessert sushi, not to mention our best export: TRADER JOE'S, bring you "Carma-geddon II, the sequel". It wasn't so bad. For 4 days, people could actually tell misbehaving children, "Go play on the freeway".
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Ticoman54
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:08:05 PM

The Feds shouldn't have anything to do with this.
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032946
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:05:37 PM

OK
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bigmace111
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:05:03 PM

Up go the tolls and taxes.
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Harveym385
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:03:53 PM

Think thats bad for you cars. It will be over &100.00 for trucks
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pecos
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:03:43 PM

There goes the 2 million from SD.
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hallows
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:02:14 PM

Alrighty!
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matthwbar
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:00:40 PM

Good news...
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MightyDude
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:58:59 AM

kinda spendy, no?
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regasaz
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:56:05 AM

Same comment as yesterday when first posted.
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mageetp
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:54:59 AM

The toll cost sounds too high to me.
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Taurus1
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:54:04 AM

As long as they can repay the loan.
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tml721
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:53:25 AM

ZEE bridge iz ZEE one ???
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mnbeancounter
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:48:21 AM

posted yesterday
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ultm8opie
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:46:43 AM

Holy Crap! A $14 toll! Perhaps if they just enforced that now, they could get back to the trafic levels of the 50's when it was built. I would not pay that.
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nehemiah
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:46:30 AM

seems logical
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cbuck80
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:46:22 AM

I love the Tappan Zee but the main reason I take it is because it was $5 one way now it will be cheaper to stay on the main interste through NYC.
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:40:27 AM

Amazing must want something for such a gesture?
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:39:09 AM

WOW!! talk about toll price inflation from $5. to $14.
How did they arrive at theat number.?
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ttfn5tigger
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:39:00 AM

I would hate to pay more to cross it. good thing I only cross it a few times a year
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:35:05 AM

Ok
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dirtydiesel10
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:34:21 AM

All good as long as the federal government use NY tax only!!!!!!
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:31:29 AM

• t1mberwolff asks "...and where is this money coming from?"

It is coming out of your pocket and from your grandchildren's financial legacy.
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 11:29:25 AM

Quote: "Why would anyone outside the NYC area be remotely interested in this article?"

Why indeed. This is because the same thing is happening all over the country. Bridges designed and built in the 1950's for 1950's traffic, are falling apart because in many cases, they are carrying loads that far exceed their original design or intent.

Some ask, why did they not plan for future traffic. To them, I say: Go out, become a Civil Engineer, do the traffic study, design for the future and then try to get it paid for. In every case, local boards holding the purse strings will NEVER pay to build for traffic they may have in the future, they will always insist that you build for the traffic we have today. Go ahead, try to explain to them that this bridge may stand for 50 or 100 years (depending on how much it is overloaded), and you need to take that into consideration. They will tell you that is some one else's problem. They are right, the board will have all new members before their shortsightedness bites them in the ass. They don't care.

That is what is wrong with the world today. Nobody cares. However, that is not new. It just seems that way.
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