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Red-light cameras INCREASE number of crashes in West Palm Beach

GasBuddy Blog -- The whole point of red-light cameras is to improve driver safety by reducing red-light running, right?

West Palm Beach has already been running red-light cameras at four city intersections, and a partial police review of those locations showed that crashes have doubled since the installation of the red-light cameras.

More crashes, and the vendor’s losing money, too, because so far the cost of the operation is outstripping the income generated by the insufficient number of drivers who are snagged for the $158 citations.

The Palm Beach Post says the city’s camera business has an economy-of-scale problem. The $19,000-a-month labor costs of city workers to handle the action at a small number of intersections is...


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Surfrat6
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 2:57:51 PM

I saw a T-bone crash occur a couple of months ago at about 9pm. The driver that got hit, was occupied with his phone. I slowed down to stop at the red light, but he didn't even apply his brakes, went through the intersection and was t-boned by an SUV that couldn't stop or swerve, traveling about 30 mph.

Had a CAMERA been at the intersection - there would have been video of the incident. Other than that, the camera could not have contributed to whether this accident occurred or not.

That's why the phrase "cameras contribute to safety" is such BS.
Surfrat6
Rookie Author Miami

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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 2:53:21 PM

How does a camera increase safety? That is such BS. A camera RECORDS an incident. A camera does not PREVENT something from happening, nor can it possibly contribute to safety. A red light camera will not catch someone driving 100mph through a green light, or a drunk driver weaving through the intersection at a green light. The camera will not stop the T-bone crash that occurs because someone wasn't paying attention and went through a red light that has been in effect long enough to allow traffic to flow in the other direction. The camera WILL however, catch someone that misjudged a yellow light and barely transgressed the red light......and then a couple of seconds pass before the opposing direction gets a green light, people will allow the intersection to clear, and proceed safely.

The red light cameras are "GOTCHA" devices that prey on those who barely miss the yellow, and aren't really posing any safety threat to traffic.

But lets be clear - the camera just takes a picture, and weeks later, the hapless driver receives a letter in the mail. I don't see how this is anything other than a revenue generating device. You want SAFETY? Create jobs and employ traffic officers at intersections. The sight of a police car DOES contribute to safety.
honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2013 6:56:33 AM

let's hope the FL legislature does something useful this time around.
honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 4:56:15 AM

Coupon: good suggestion, just won't ever happen.
CityCouponer
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:52:39 AM

Red-light cameras should be banned.
gazguzzler11
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:26:00 PM

As I have already posted, RLCs do not increase MVCs. It is the poor/illegal driving habits of far too many drivers out there that are the cause of these MVCs. If you still think that RLCs cause MVCs, please tell me how many people have ever successfully used this as their defence when they have been charged with 1 or more of the following:
1) following too close
2) speeding
3) not paying attention to the traffic around you
4) not adjusting your driving to the road conditions

To those who are saying that RLCs are mainly a cash grab, you're also wrong. They don't grab any cash except from those who break the law. They'll never get any $ from me because I don't run reds.

Here is the theory behind RLCs. If you have common sense you don't need any law to tell you to stop at reds. However, you can't teach common sense. Therefore the theory is that if you receive enough RLC tickets eventually the pain from your wallet will migrate to your brain & you'll finally realize that if you stop running reds that you'll get to keep your $ to spend on things that you want. This is similar to how you train a dog with the reward system.
moose21040
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 11:17:39 AM

I thought the Red-light cameras were for safety and not for profit.
honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:59:42 AM

crep: that's b/c that's not "newsworthy" (or, rather, not sensationalistic enough).
honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 4:58:31 AM

talk has it, they may abolish them again...
RitaVespa
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 5:14:25 PM

Probably
blueliner16
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 4:47:52 AM

Irresponsible drivers increase the number of crashes. I doubt that the red light cameras had anything to do with the selfishness of the drivers who actually caused the crashes.
alaric76
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:21:42 PM

actually, I see the yellow period getting shorter!
crep1291
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 8:31:54 PM

Longer yellow lights has been shown to reduce the number of collisions at intersections. Yet we don't hear of any places extending their yellow lights to improve safety...
gazguzzler11
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 4:07:09 PM

People keep insisting that RLCs cause MVCs. Please tell me how they do this?

But first, consider this. Do you do any of the following:
1) follow too close
2) speed
3) not pay attention to the traffic around you
4) not adjust your driving to the road conditions.

Now that you have considered the above 4 points, go ahead & explain how RLCs cause MVCs.

I can legally stop my car anywhere, anytime, for any number of reasons. If you aren't guilty of any of the above 4, then you won't rear end me. If you are guilty of any or all of the above 4, then you very well might hit me. Don't try to blame a RLC for your poor/illegal driving habits.
Digger52
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:05:38 PM

Someone thought they had a great idea. . . .
NightRider
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 3:02:59 PM

cricket48750 - It is not OK for Red-light cameras to INCREASE the number of crashes in West Palm Beach. How can you be so insensitive?
cricket48750
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 2:56:18 PM

OK
NightRider
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 1:38:28 PM

"the tax payer's loose..... " - Yep, foot loose and fancy free. Sometimes you can't win for losing.
DLCAN
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 1:21:10 PM

well - some body has to make some money - the defending attorney or the city... yet again - the tax payer's loose.....
LtRTH
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:35:05 AM

Great how the article notes the mayors comment was made with a "straight face". Have to wonder if the punishment was something other than a fine, would these cities be so eager to have this cameras?
And of course accidents could increaase. Either drivers will lock em up trying to stop, getting rear ended, or as usual speeding up trying to make it through on the yellow light and getting t-boned.
dacofa
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:32:32 AM

It's the camera's fault? Talk about a lame excuse for being a driver that doesn't desire to be on the road.
juttuniemi
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:17:46 AM

One likely reason: FL has a lot of VERY old drivers. And I'll bet a lot of them hit the brakes hard at these intersections when the light turns yellow. Then the following drivers hit the ones who stopped suddenly.
VernonOR
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:16:35 AM

Labor cost of union run city employees no surprise her ($19,000-a-month).
BossPal
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:11:48 AM

Red light cameras serve two purposes to catch idiot redlight runners and to generate revenue for that local gov't the sudden stops by people trying to avoid a ticket and causing accidents is beacuse they misjudge the lights timing and are not paying attention those drivers are either in a hurry (late for work or need to pick up the kids from day care or school)or texting. change the behavior, drive safe and defensively. a message brought to by the .............................LOL
NightRider
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:10:57 AM

It would make more sense to put a police officer at the intersection during peak traffic hours when accidents have a higher probability of occurring. That wouldn't cost as much as having the cameras 24 hours a day and paying the contractor. Automatic tickets generated by cameras sound like a good way to generate revenue as well as enforce the law. However, as the old adage goes, "if it sounds too good to be true it probably is".
MangoNut
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:09:35 AM

Fight the ticket!
dcoxdcox44
All-Star Author New Hampshire

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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:08:29 AM

This just can't be right.
Somebody is misinterpreting something somewhere
berniMI
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:07:51 AM

Green light means go Red light means stop...where are the crashes happening?? I believe trying to still go thru the red
like every one does.

Just follow the driveing rules and all will be fine. Common sense!!

Was this not included in High School Drivers Training Class?????????
IMLURCH
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:05:52 AM

Old story and should be removed from top 5 after 24 hrs.
repeater1
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 11:03:27 AM

Drivers being distracted by the camera?
Red7002011
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:58:44 AM

Well, well, well!
ifallsguy
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:57:57 AM

gotta beat the red light so your not on candid camera
Fitwit
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:56:03 AM

Trust not in your own understanding.
bra0712
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:56:01 AM

stupid drivers is the problem
Alfied
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:55:54 AM

Government at work.
skinsfan125
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:53:57 AM

but they make reveneu out the wazoo!
NanookAK
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:49:38 AM

Then ban them.
Cableman66
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:49:25 AM

Old news.
yakstar
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:48:12 AM

too much emphasis on technology and less on getting people involved...
DJRIO
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:47:05 AM

old article let us move on to new article.
flatrock14
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:45:11 AM

im not surprised
ChargerV8
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:44:21 AM

I seen that started overseas. I wonder if the problem exists there too.
installer
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:44:16 AM

This has been known for years, three or four here in Kalif. The money from citizens is too much temptation to tax/spend gov't. The contractors operating the systems also get a percentage of the take. Many opportunities to fudge the results.
TTM77
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:43:33 AM

it create jobs. go crash more. that's why they give driver license to any idiot who even care to want one.
BeatOPEC
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:42:10 AM

These cameras have nothing to do with safety and everything to do with increasing revenue for the government. This type of entrapment should be outlawed.
donny47
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:38:03 AM

old
nascar9
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:36:40 AM

Proves that governments don't listen.
ace12012
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:36:26 AM

read it before.
BlueVanGroup
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:34:25 AM


More crashes and it's losing money.

Sounds like a government program to me.
Noewal
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2013 10:33:42 AM

Why is yesterday's post still here?
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