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Strawberywine75

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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2007 1:47:00 PM

Hi!! I currently have a Ford 150 4x4 crew cab and it gets terrible gas mileage. 13 best on the highway and only 9 best towing my camper. I am looking to get a F250 Super duty crew cab. I need to know what will be the best MPG?? a V8 with the 5.4L gas, a Big V10 gas or the diesel?? Does anyone know from their own experience what MPG these all get??? I know diesel will most likely be the best BUT it is more expensive to buy at the gas stations as well as the truck itself!!! At the dealer a new diesel is $7000 more then a V8 5.4 gas. Can anyone help me with some definate answers pleaseeeeeeee. thank you!!! :-)
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4x4_Fantasy
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2008 3:32:31 PM

db the dba, just so you know, my hemi makes 345hp and a GM Duramax diesel makes 365hp and I would save AT LEAST 20% a month if I were to switch. So its not really done on HP ratings.
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Gabilondo
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2008 10:45:05 AM

Diesel for sure.
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jwduke1
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2008 9:46:31 AM

Dodge/Cummins Turbo Diesel, better mpg & longevity than Ford/International Diesel.
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db_the_dba
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2008 8:34:49 AM

Go diesel -- you'll get better mileage all-around, it (the engine) will last longer than the gasoline counterpart, and your insurance will be lower (Diesels generally have lower hp and higher torque than gasoline engines -- insurance is usually on HP)
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blubyu
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2008 7:15:21 AM

$7,000 will buy a lot of gas for that V10
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narcar1973
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2008 5:34:57 PM

go diesel
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klr650guy
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2008 10:43:20 AM

If you drive lots of HWY miles buy a diesel.

If not buy the V8 gas motor.

My 2007 5.4 auto crewcab 4x4, gets 19 mpg HWY if i drive it gently.
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mikesmom189
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2008 7:49:16 AM

Strawberywine

Not sure what year you have for the F150 but our 2004 F150 has a V8 5.4L is standard, which is why my husband has refused to look at the F250's with that motor. The salesman tried and tried, but my husband was like look it doesn't pull now why would the same motor pull better in a heavier truck. I have asked for feedback on the V10. you might look at torque and horsepower. I know we plan on asking the salesman if we can pull our trailer before buying anything. Been burned on that one already as we hate the higher RPM's on torque and horsepower compared to our 2001.
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mikesmom189
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Message Posted: Sep 27, 2008 7:43:23 AM

I can tell you that other than racing which is all over our state on the weekends which we pull an alumalite trailer which is about 5,500lbs my husband drives his truck completely in town with no freeway or interstate at all. He gets about 12 mpg and about 8 to 9 towing depending on the head wind. If the wind is going the right way we have gotten up to 13 mpg pulling. He has a 2004 F150 crew cab 4 x 4 offroad with the 5.4L V8. We had traded in our 2001 F150 extended cab 4x4 offroad so my son could have more room in the backseat. It got about 14 mpg and I loved that truck as it drove and rode so much better. My husband has definitely complained it doesn't pull as well as our 01 and the 04 crew cab is more like a family car. We are looking at a 05 F350 diesel duelly to pull our trailer and camper if we ever have a truck to pull it. Personally I am not convinced on cost nor on Fords diesels especially 05 through 07. I have been trying to talk my husband into the F250 V10 but so far no good. I think it would do fine on gas and pulling power. He is one of those floored on the interstate entrance ramp yelling, hitting the steering wheel go faster you piece of s***. Of course we have 52,000 miles on this truck and knock on wood we have never had anything go wrong with it. Just general maintenance. Obviously diesel is more expensive, ethanol gas is cheaper here. I drive an 04 mach 1 V8 which is strictly premium gas and on a good week cruising to work on the interstate AT the speed limit I can do 21 to 22 mpg. If I get on it, well then I can drop to 15 mpg pretty easily. Also the salesman told us a diesel gets 15 mpg the first 50K until they are broke in and then over 20 mpg. No clue on that so feedback is appreciated.
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1n2ls
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2008 10:52:22 PM

Consider buying a diesel and converting it to run on WVO. Cost per gallon goes down to under a buck or less.
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herbiepopnecker
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2008 9:07:54 PM

If I had to guess, I'd guess that anyone looking at a SuperDuty wouldn't give a tinker's damn about gas mileage.
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2008 5:03:43 PM

Have a 2006 Ford Super Duty 4x4 6.4 Power Stroke turbo Diesel
get 18 to 22 mpg
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RickGKY
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Message Posted: Jun 7, 2008 6:06:10 AM

I'd look for a used truck that didn't have a PDF . The new trucks use more fuel . I wouldn't buy a Ford diesel . They have more problems , higher service costs and get the worst fuel mileage . I'm a moderator on a hotshot hauling forum . Our members have trucks with over 200,000 miles on them . Fords aren't even considered . The Dodge Cummins used to be the preferred truck but the Chevy Duramax has proven to be more reliable and comfortable . Most Dodge diesel owners are really Cummins fans , not Dodge lovers . I owned a Dodge 350 diesel and can tell you from my experience and others that Dodge does not keep a good parts inventory at dealerships . I often hear of hotshotters sitting several days in a motel waiting for parts for their Dodge . The Chevies rarely end up in the shop and the parts are usually there .
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cbramsey5318
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2008 9:01:58 AM

If I had to guess, I would think that a diesel F250 would get better mileage than a gas powered version.

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airduct
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2008 8:00:39 AM

GregariousNV -- We use the van mostly for traveling/camping/sleeping/long road trips, the last being this past Christmas from Florida to Ohio and back. The van is nowhere maxed out as to its carrying capacity using it this way.. I could have gotten by with the 5.4L engine but I I found a dealer that wanted to get rid of the V10. A good part of the driving is open road and I will admit I have a easy right foot when it comes to driving the van. I also use synthetic lubricants and I would considered the van somewhat pampered... I seldom push it over 65 even when the speed limit allows faster. That is normally in the western states. We now have slightly over 80K miles on it and over all the 14ish is what I have gotten in the way of MPG. I am sure that someone using the same van configured and loaded for work would get less. This is my third Ford van, the other two were E150's one with The 302ci and one with a 351. The V10 gets as good of mileage for me as did the one with a 351, but with a lot more power.. I love to drive it in the mountains.

[Edited by: airduct at 6/6/2008 9:02:44 AM EST]
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GregariousNV
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Message Posted: Jun 5, 2008 9:39:55 PM

To airduct: What kind of driving do you do to get 14 mpg overall in your E350 V10 Super Duty? Is that overall around town and local freeway driving?

Also, I'm curious by your name, do you use this van in perhaps an airduct cleaning or HVAC business? If so, are you getting an honest 14 mpg overall average in daily business trips around town?

Lastly, is the van loaded down with equipment, or usually running fairly light and empty?

Too the rest of you.. I'm looking for more real life MPG figures on the Ford V10 in daily use, especially if it's in a van used for local service work around town, OR, a van used for highway trips, so I can compare the two.

The EPA doesn't rate this motor... so it's hard to find MPG data.

Thanks to all of you who can reply!
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: May 15, 2008 1:41:19 PM

mcintibs,

I have yet to see any one tow a 30 ft 5th wheel trailer with any stock diesel engine and get 17 MPG. BTW is the mpg you report from your trucks computer or hand calculated as we all know the trucks computer are known to be wrong.
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mcintibs
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Message Posted: May 13, 2008 9:32:53 PM

I have a 2005 F250 diesel crew cab. I get about 15-17 mpg all the time. This includes towing our 30 ft 5th wheel or pull our pontoon. On the other hand my 2007 Prius gets about 48 mpg.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: May 13, 2008 4:18:24 PM

A K&N air filter is not the best think to any engine with a Turbo. IMO oiled filters let to many lager particles of dirt through that can pit your turbo and ruin it. I've seen Turbo warranties voided because of a K&N filter being used.
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POWERSTROKE04
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Message Posted: May 13, 2008 11:48:50 AM

SOUNDS LIKE I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE BULLYDOG, RATHER THAN THE EDGE. I DID NOT SEE ANY INCREASE WHEN I INSTALLED THE K&N COLD AIR INTAKE, ONLY THING THAT CHANGED IS NOW I CAN HEAR THE TURBO WHISTLE.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: May 9, 2008 4:11:15 PM

timeoff,

The fuel mileage you claim the F-250 gets, is that from the trucks computer or hand calculated? I bet it’s from the truck computer and when you calculate by hand it’s much lower!
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timeoff
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Message Posted: May 7, 2008 7:34:05 AM

If you want good mpg, look for a 2006 or 2007 F-250 diesel. The new EPA requirements on the new diesels in the US have killed there mileage. My son just bought a 2006 F-250 Super duty extended cab with manual transmission and was getting 16 mpg. Added a Bully Dog PMT programmer and now over 21 MPG. Going to add a AEM cold air HD air intake soon. And install a 5 inch exhaust system. Should push him up to 25 MPG. These systems have a lifetime warranty,so will pay for themselves. If interested in these products let me know. I have found the BEST PRICES.
Timeoff296@aol.com
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POWERSTROKE04
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Message Posted: May 5, 2008 1:21:17 PM

I have a 2004 Ford F350 dually with the 6.0 power stroke diesel, it has 98k miles on it with no problems. I was getting 14 mpg then I put a edge programmer with in cab display now I am getting 17-18 mpg, it is well worth the money spent on it for the return that I am getting on better mpg's, and the large amount of power that I gained is just a bonus. With a trailer in tow, it drops down to 15.5 - 16 which is alot better than before it would drop to 9mpg. I love my diesel, even with the high prices, it is a much better truck than the gas burners I have had in the past.
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muddbogger
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Message Posted: May 2, 2008 1:32:34 PM

I've seen diesels get more mpg (almost double with bio diesel) than their gas duplicates

[Edited by: muddbogger at 5/2/2008 2:32:48 PM EST]
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: May 1, 2008 4:20:09 PM

One thing many don't know is that any truck with a diesel engine in it is worth more money then the same truck with a gas engine even if the diesel has more miles on it. Also if a person tows a lot a diesel engine is the only way to go.
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caddys4life818
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2008 8:00:10 PM

Getting a new truck is still gonna be expensive the gas might even cost you more. My uncle has a ford truck that he got a year or two years ago and the MPG is horrible. The only thing hes got lemon law on his cars but really the ford f-150 or one of the landrovers or mostly a chevy truck will probably have more MPG. I would look at chevrolet and see wat they got and compare it to the truck that you want to get.
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TimTimNJ
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2008 3:43:16 PM

You must think about total cost of owner ship. Is it really worth spending $7,000 more on a truck and then spending over a dollar more per gallon of gas? My uncle has been a diesel mechanic for over 25 years and his own personal opinion is that it is dumb for a normal everyday person to buy a diesel because it is not much better on gas and it is much more expensive. You may say why do tractor trailers and trains use diesel? Because it is cost effective for them. It burns slower and only helps when towning SEVERAL TONS, not personal loads.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2008 2:31:32 PM


I know that Dodge, Ford and GMC are going to release a V6 diesel for 1/2 pickups around 2010 or 2011 but a good Cummins 4 cyl would be better for over all mpg and still tow as much weight as a V6 gas engine.

Born2Hunt,

The 20078 Ford has a 6.4L engine not a 6.7L like you posted. Oh don't expect much better mpg from it as I know several owners & talked many who have the new 6.4 diesel engine and they still get very good mpg even when they have over 50,000 miles. BTW was your fuel mileage hand calculated for from the trucks computer? I've learned that most of the on board computers mileage read outs are way off and show better fuel mileage then what you really are getting when checked by hand calculations.

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LagunaTDI
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2008 4:47:25 AM

Diesel is best! Shame on Detroit for not offering V6 Diesel engines in their full size trucks. They have the same torque as a V8 gasser but are much more economical. Let's face it... most people driving a V8 Diesel pickup don't need all the torque those things produce.
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willysride
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:53:30 AM

This may help you too.

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/bio-diesel-alternative-fuels-supplements/46881-getting-started-bio-diesel.html
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willysride
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:42:46 AM

If you can afford it, get a diesel. You can always get into Biofuels for half the price. 300 dollars or so to convert your lines to bio ready.
MPG is almost double with diesel.

If you cant afford diesel, and are towing.
Get the bigger engine GAS! It will save you fuel. Alot of the new trucks now offer fuel Cutoff while coasting above 30mph. This is also a plus. GM stuff, will only use 4 cly instead of all cly ETC to save fuel. On demand Engine..

Also, 700k Engine life! That is a plus! Diesel

I just spoke to a VW Diesel owner at the store, and hes getting 52mpg on his Engine even with 250k on it. And he said, I dont baby the thing at all, Just drive normal. It is a Manual trans tho. Go VW 1992 Jetta I think it was.



[Edited by: willysride at 4/26/2008 7:49:55 AM EST]
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Ryan456789
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2008 9:00:53 PM

Diesel is the best value. I have friends with F250's with 300k+ miles that can pull off 20mpg
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Born2Hunt
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2008 6:52:11 PM

I drive a 08 F250 Superduty 4x4 automatic with 6.7L Diesel at work. Running empty on the Highway at 70 mph I get 14.5 mpg calculated. In town it is about 12 mpg. It only has about 12K on it right now so I'm hopping it will pick up a little on the mpg...
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2008 4:13:27 PM

I sure would not want to hook up a Toyota to a 10K trailer and drive it on the road, that is an accident wanting to happen. If he is dead set on a Ford then why not get an F250 with a bad engine in it, drop and older Cummins 12 valve, tune it up for a bit more power from it along with a 5-6 speed trans. Even though I drive a truck with a Cummins I would not buy a new 2007.5 with a the new 6.7L Cummins as it has all of the EPA smog crap on it and the fuel mileage is not as good as the 2007 and older 5.9L engine but the mpg is better then what Ford or GMC gets. Also how many of those big mpg numbers I saw posted were from the trucks computer and not hand calculated? My best hand calculated MPG from my 2006 4x4 was 20.5 mpg empty on the Hwy driving 60-65 MPH and this last winter the lowest mpg I saw was 15.4 mpg. I will say the older 2 wheel drive 5.9L Cummins trucks with 3.5X gears and 5 speed trans do get 2-5 mpg better then the newer 4x4 trucks that have more HP and TQ.

JMHO
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MrCopenhagen
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2008 7:47:03 AM

you really dont need a 250 to tow a trailor your truck probubly does jsut fine..if you want better fuel miles get the diesel..only thing i have with my diesel is they are expensive to fix..and you have to let them warm up so the oil can get to the turbo.
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BetrMPG
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2008 7:18:42 AM

Buy the diesel, but get a USED one! I work for a vehicle wholesaler and Ford diesels are in oversupply. Rear end gearing makes a lot of difference; unless you really are towing at max capacity, avoid the 4.10. Unless you NEVER tow, avoid the 5.4.

Rumor has it that gas and diesel fuel prices will equalize soon.

And use Ethos FR in your fuel and oil, no matter what you drive. It does work - I have been using it for a year and a half.

Burton Motors, Albuquerque, NM
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Vibe03
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2008 8:04:21 AM

Get the diesel - at least it will hold it value thru the longer term and it is capable. Otherwise consider the GMC Sierra which is far more fuel efficient.
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2008 12:41:07 AM

I CONCUR WITH STROKER45103
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Stroker45103
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2008 12:45:44 PM

I own an '04 F250 4x4 with extended cab, long bed, and 6.0 diesel w/ automatic trans. Combined highway and city driving around here averages out to maybe 20 mpg. When towing my 8,000 lb. camper I get about 12 mpg.

With the cost of diesel running close to over a dollar more per gallon, I would say that if you aren't exceeding the towing capacity of your F150, keep it.

I like my truck a lot and despite the age and mileage the book value is still impressively high. However, unless you really need one to tow or haul something, save your money. Feeding these beasts has become very expensive.
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DieselX
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2008 9:48:01 AM

I drive an '02 excursion with the 7.3 diesel.
in town i get about 14-16mpg - highway about 20 mpg!
no questiion diesel is more efficient in these big trucks
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CheddarWedge
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2008 11:20:05 AM

I am not sure if you are wanting to go new or used. I would have to swing with the diesel side of the house. The diesel will cost you more up front, more on maintenance, and more at the pump. Resale will be much better than a gasser. Diesel engines last much longer between rebuilds, if you plan on keeping the truck over a long period of time. I get much better mpg than gasser and the towing aspect is a no brainer. I have a new 08 Dodge backed by a Cummins and am getting 18 hwy and 15 city. The Cummins is a medium duty engine, has less moving parts compared to it's V8 brothers that GM and Ford offer, no glow plugs either. I prefer the look of the Dodge to the others, Ford seems to have someone installing the head lamps upside down LOL , and the GM products have a massive piece of trash they call a front bumper. The older 5.9 Cummins will get better mpg than the new 6.7, less emission to deal with, but I would not trade my 6.7, she runs good and tows like a dream.
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2008 8:28:28 AM

My F250 Super duty diesel crew cab get about 13mpg between the city and highway driving, ( I have to travel both to get back and forth to work). My son and i took a trip to OC, Md last fall and got 16mpg on straight highway. The big trade off is either the milage or the power. I have a boat and a trailer, but have not seen much f a difference with he trailer, haven't pulled he boat yet. I'll keep my diesel.

[Edited by: bdash1400 at 3/22/2008 9:28:49 AM EST]
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briank299
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2008 10:43:55 PM

The difference in MPG is realized when the truck is hauling or pulling a load. Several mechanics, towing company owners, and other businessmen who use light duty trucks will all tell you: A diesel is worth every penny of the additional cost up front.

Your savings comes when the truck is working (towing your camper). A gas engine's mileage will drop. Big time. A diesel will get consistent mileage... AND last many, many more miles... assuming that you do meticulous maintenance.

Good luck - the diesel offerings from Ford, GM and Dodge are all good. Shop around, talk to other RV owners, towing companies, etc. that are driving diesels. They'll tell you. :-)
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Vin63
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2008 9:12:23 PM

My personal and work trucks are GM Duramax. In-town driving only, is the majority of miles that my work trucks see, I get about 13.0 mpg in the Winter and 14.0 in Summer unloaded. On the freeway, my personal Duramax (K3500, CC, DRW) gets 21.2 mpg unloaded.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2008 4:15:19 AM

First is get rid of the Ford and go with a GM product they get much better mileage. Like what you get on the highway, they get around town.
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Nikki68
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2008 11:49:54 PM

Strawberrywine75,

Do yourself a HUGE favor and DO NOT buy a 2008 F250 Diesel. My husband bought his back in Oct. 07 and the best mileage he has gotten so far is 14 but avg is only 12.4.... so unbelieveable especially considering your paying WAY more for diesel and your paying what 5 or 6 thousand more for a diesel engine. NOT WORTH it at all.
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sickboy774
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2008 8:17:28 PM

Diesel all the way!
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Gabilondo
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2008 7:53:39 PM

The older Cummins and 7.3 Strokes are by far better than the new ones.
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wintersucks
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2008 9:00:33 PM

go with a diesel hands down. i wouldnt recommend anything newer than a 2006, that way you will avoid all the emmisions crap and will get far better mileage. mine is an '05 dodge 2500 cummins w/manual. empty i get about 20-21 avg in warm months, about 16 in winter. you may pay more right now but the resale on it will be far more than with the 5.4 petrol. jm.02
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2008 5:35:13 AM

V10 for sure .....
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