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Automakers Drive Carbon Composites

Design News -- Long used in aircraft, strong, lightweight carbon fiber composites are still too expensive for high-volume, mainstream automotive manufacturing. Although volumes can't be manufactured fast enough to amortize their high materials cost, automakers are tempted: Carbon composites offer weight savings of 30 percent to 40 percent over metals. So composite manufacturers, often partnering with automakers, are working on lower-cost materials, processes better suited to high-volume manufacturing, and fabrication methods to cope with complex shapes.


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Submitted Sep 14, 2012 By: doeslayersr
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2012 11:01:03 PM

another plastic bomber debacle waiting to happen?
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sparky808
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 5:55:28 PM

Thank you for posting.
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jbrad4
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 10:41:58 AM

Carbon composites are stronger and lighter than a lot of metals, but they have to get the costs down.
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tomok
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 9:01:00 AM

Produce vehicles with lighter frames, body’s and components – using carbon fiber, titanium, plastics or other light weight and strong materials. Lighter Weight –> Higher MPG!
As high MPG vehicles are produced, the price for those vehicles will increase. High MPG vehicles, high vehicle price, high liquid fuel cost from Big Oil (not as much fuel is produced and Big Oil wants to maintain their profit income).
Low MPG vehicles, low vehicle cost, high liquid fuel cost (Big Oil still maintains their profit income).
Lighter EV vehicles, higher vehicle range and distance, smaller battery capacity needed, less electricity needed to fully charge that EV battery. Who knows what the local electrical utility will charge for an EV or Inbred that is recharged from the grid when there are more and more of them recharging at the same time.
ALL auto or personal batteries will be REUSED or RECYCLED, they will not be thrown away into a land fill OR placed in storage and piled up!
If more CNG vehicles are produced or more vehicles are converted to natural gas, more and more natural gas is used so expect that fuel to rise in price too. Lighter CNG vehicles, more distance for the same amount of fuel, expect higher fuel costs later.
Improved light weight, high MPG, driverless vehicles to reduce the accident and death rates.
Watch for sharp needles when the carbon fiber disintegrates and absorbs the force of the impact – spray with glue or other similar products to contain the fibers from inhalation or contact. Very sharp carbon fiber needles can pierce the skin without you knowing it. There are 'repair patches' available for repair areas as in the case of the lightweight 'plastic tank' which has carbon fiber and plastic too.
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, has a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
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Wizrd03
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 7:56:50 AM

Try and fix it after an accident, the insurance companies will be totaling a lot of cars and your insurance rates will more than offset the savings in gas.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 6:05:23 AM

Repost from yesterday...
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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2012 1:31:52 AM

It will push the price up too much.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:26:29 PM

The higher the price tag on cars the fewer the buyers...
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:24:21 PM

Good, but costly.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:22:39 PM

can't afford one
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chuckhermann
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:14:59 PM

Lighter cars would have a huge impact on fuel economy. Its just hard to get people to spend more $$ up front and save more over the life of the car, especially if people are leasing a new car every 3 years.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:14:53 PM

Sounds like a way to get better mileage
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:14:45 PM

this helps who?
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:12:07 PM

marketplace should decide, not some bureaucratic hack like a car czar.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:10:09 PM

I has been over fifteen years since you could buy a four-passenger car in the US that weighed under 2000 lbs. Carbon Composites could make it happen.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:08:53 PM

"Carbon Composites my boy, Carbon Composites" .... doesn't exactly roll off the tongue like "Plastics my boy!"
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:08:16 PM

it is what it is.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:07:40 PM

Okay
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:07:01 PM

I think this is good technology.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:06:26 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:04:23 PM

Hmmmm
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:04:04 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:03:35 PM

Good stuff, high costs and high to repair. I don't think it is enough to offset the fuel savings.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:03:07 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:02:50 PM

Great, if they can lower the cost. No subsidies!!!!!
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:02:01 PM

Collision repairs will be expensive...
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:01:29 PM

Does "lower-cost" mean "lower-quality"?
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:01:09 PM

Good
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:57:29 PM

Lighter than steel, but not as forgiving in a accident!
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:53:54 PM

Carbon fiber for the mainstream is getting closer. Which is a good thing.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:50:20 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:49:41 PM

COOL!
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:44:47 PM

Eventually methods will be developed that will reduce unit cost. However, these vehicles might be more expensive to insure, as repair costs will dramatically increase after a severe accident. Nano-fiber manufacture may ultimately be the answer, and a better solution for large volume manufacture ...
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:42:40 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:41:31 PM

To bonzoon: Vehicles are not yet made of carbon fiber the manufacturers are researching the possibility
read the article
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:40:35 PM

It is all plastic in the end.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:39:32 PM

hmmmmm
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:37:16 PM

The best automobiles are made with lightweight carbon fiber composites.
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:36:41 PM

interesting
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:30:58 PM

interesting
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:30:42 PM

I'm more interested to read how this will impact safety in a much lighter vehicle.
What are the added safety features, if any?
How does it hold up in crash tests?
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:30:39 PM

Link not workong
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ok
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:30:16 PM

OK
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:29:27 PM

Oh
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disappointed
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:25:44 PM


I would like to read the article but Design News has some weird setup.
The link just leads to a blank page.   :-(
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:21:05 PM

just a matter of time till it becomes reality
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:19:37 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 10:18:41 PM

interesting!!!
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