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Biofuels battle ignites again

Chronicle -- A government mandate meant to boost renewable fuel use has left gasoline makers on the hook for buying biofuels that don't exist, a leading energy industry trade and lobbying group alleges in a federal lawsuit.

In the suit filed late Tuesday in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, the American Petroleum Institute argues that the Environmental Protection Agency's requirements are unreasonable.

"EPA's unattainable and absurd mandate forces refiners to pay a penalty for failing to use biofuels that don't even exist," Bob Greco, the API's director of downstream and industry operations, said in a statement.

The EPA said it is reviewing the lawsuit related to cellulosic biofuel - ethanol fermented from products other than corn, which is the main source of U.S. biofue


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RONALD777
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2012 9:54:06 PM

Sounds like the EPA is fouling up again. No surprise here.
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bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 6:43:24 PM

EPA needs a penalty for being openly stupid.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 4:30:26 PM

K
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NukeAtComEd
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:38:01 PM

it is funny that people think that 12.8% profit (a very good year - normal around 8%) is too much, but they don't mind it when Apple, Facebook or other tech companies make a higher percentage!

Cellulosic ethanol is a another shell game to provide the government with more of our money to redistribute to their crony capitalists. Make the investment stand on its own and we will see how fast these crony capitalists get out of the business!
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 10:59:06 AM

Exxon reported 16G$ profits on 125G$ revenues, and other oil companies will likely report as much profits. And they're complaining about a fine that's less than 2M$ per quarter?? Exxon's executives collected 46M$ last year.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 8:30:51 AM

There has to be some common sense in any government regulations and laws. This EPA mandate, under Obama's green energy push, is absurd! Hope that the US courts will crush this stupidity.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 8:25:53 AM

No food for fuel.
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bkplenge
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 7:49:35 AM

Ethanol is a total waste and needs to be stopped.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 6:18:55 AM

ok
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TIGERPAW46
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 3:39:17 AM

Ethanol from any crops is a waste of our lands. It causes land prices to inflate thus raising the cost of land for food production & the food cost. It Increases pollution by depleting our world wide forest. Ethanol does not result in the use of less Gasoline because it decreases efficiency almost equal to the percentage of the mix. The manufacture of Ethanol causes additional pollution while not saving any pollution by using it, even if you make it from non crop products like Algae or crop waste etc.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 3:11:11 AM


"But the biodiesel credit trading program has been tainted by widespread fraud..."

This is to be expected, when you give the market a system that can be taken advantage of for a quick profit.
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djgunrunner
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 3:11:10 AM

Now if only the courts will cooperate maybe we can get some progress in the repeal of the mandated use of Ethanol. Ethanol does not work in a anyway so why have the extra effort and expense as well as the low performance of the vehicles which causes the use of more gasoline and loss of money. Then there is the increased cost of food like Meat, Poultry and Dairy. We need to have laws that are not passed to make the Ethanol Mafia rich while we worry about which it is going to be. Food or Gas for the Car?
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:52:26 AM

So this may force the refiners to figure out how to make E100 out of other materials. We need to stop buying foreign oil and produce our own fuels. Alcohol runs excellent in motors and can be produced in the USA with materials we grow.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:52:24 AM

EPA is a JOKE!!!!
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Oil companies own the EPA.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:49:16 AM

Shut down the EPA now.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:48:17 AM

hm
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Fantasy baseball.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:42:55 AM

Need more competion...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:36:08 AM

Lets burn gas not corn
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:35:06 AM

"""I heard a news report yesterday that reported due to the midwest drought we can expect about a 5 cent increase at the pump because ethanol producers do not have the crops to produce ethanol."""""

get that s,, out of my gas! and drop it 50 more cents
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:34:54 AM

Govt fines/taxes the $. Whatever pls conserve fuels
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:34:17 AM

okay
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:31:43 AM

More guvmint lies.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:27:43 AM

Aaw.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:23:59 AM

crazy
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:20:52 AM

no more biofuels, just stop produce it. Corns are foods not fuels, get it...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:20:26 AM

The bio-fuel mandate was signed into law during the Cheney/Bush and GOP domination of the congress.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:16:29 AM

Time to kill all ethanol...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:13:31 AM

Start using biofuels in Air Force One.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:12:13 AM

Corn ethanol is not the answer and the government needs to admit is mistake and change these dumb mandates.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:12:06 AM

How can you use a additive that isn't produced?
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:08:58 AM

old news-- but I want to buy "real" gas
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:08:03 AM

Corn is to expensive now too waist and its driving up food costs.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:06:46 AM

...get your ethanol out of my gasoline !...
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:02:05 AM

We need to somehow squash this mandate and get rid of ethanol.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:59:37 AM

Better start figuring it out then because it's just plain stupid to keep using corn based fuel.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:55:20 AM

Corn to eat and nothing else.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:50:40 AM

What does the other side have to say?
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:50:08 AM

Time to get rid of Ethanol made with corn.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:49:59 AM

get rid of ethanol
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No more war, please.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:45:46 AM

this is why mandates can bite you in the butt!
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:45:46 AM

No food for gasoline.
No more hype & chains.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:44:10 AM

I heard a news report yesterday that reported due to the midwest drought we can expect about a 5 cent increase at the pump because ethanol producers do not have the crops to produce ethanol.
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:35:21 AM

Corn Not exactly plentiful this season
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:35:09 AM

time to disband the epa and put the staff in a mental ward...
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get rid of EPA
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if there $1.00 too be rip off someone will fine it!
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 1:30:51 AM

We don't need no stinking EPA?
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