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Bitumen trains help beat pipeline congestion for Alberta energy producers

Vancouver Sun -- EDMONTON - Rapidly growing MEG Energy has decided that rail tank cars and barges are the best way to beat the pipeline congestion holding down Alberta’s crude oil prices.

Later this year, unit trains with up to 118 tank cars will head out of Bruderheim every day on either Canadian National or Canadian Pacific tracks, bound for the Chicago area, where the oil will then be dumped into U.S. pipelines or loaded onto river barges. The trains might also keep going to the U.S. Gulf Coast and deliver the bitumen to several large refineries with cokers that can handle heavy crude.

“And it’s not just the U.S. Gulf Coast. For example, we can send dilbit to the Irving refinery in Saint John (N.B.) where it can be mixed with lighter crudes. They can figure out their own milkshake,” said Bellows. “If


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:01:30 PM

Chris: indeed. You hit the nail on the head.
Chris46
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We are on a downward spiral, with nobody to blame but ourselves.
honda0105
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 4:57:25 AM

so we're transporting tar sands (bitumen) oil, which was gained using lots of energy, then using more energy to bring it to the Gulf Coast, and finally refine it in the US where more carbon than from any other petroleum is being released. Only to export most of that (and that's by the actual admissions of Pig Oil executives).
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 12:00:56 AM

Thank you for submitting, bar1035.
FuelishGuy
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:36:37 PM

Wonder how sentiments change when they have their first spill.
Chris46
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 10:34:55 PM

Ship it anyway you can.No problem.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 3:05:26 PM

Old
NemoIL
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:46:05 PM

Our dear leader did not approve keystone. This and the de-valuation of the dollar means higher prices at the pump.
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Since the Obama regime will not approve Keystone, ship it the best way available.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:13:17 PM

gotta move the stuff any way we can to get it to market.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:10:45 PM

Go...
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:03:52 PM

Good for rail.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:02:36 PM

Just costs more than the pipeline.....but who cares.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:01:40 PM

ok.
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I have confidence in our elitist president that he will stop any progress in lowering gas prices.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:59:32 PM

Keep them black.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:58:45 PM

Good for the railroads.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:58:41 PM

ok
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slow
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:54:40 PM

The fuel will make it to market one way or another.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:54:34 PM

A start.
chuckhermann
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:54:31 PM

Once its on the train and moving, it can go pretty much where its needed.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:50:58 PM

coming up with alternate solutions to an ongoing problem
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:49:58 PM

Move more by rail for now, but the US and Canada will not get lower fuel prices with more oil, as it and fuel prices are going up, now that they CAN move more. They sell the refined oil in other countries for higher prices, making the prices because of inventory, higher in the US and Canada. Keep it at home, lower the prices, but that will not happen, so we move to an alternative and let them have their oil.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:47:25 PM

I see @wayoung56 is still living in the paranoid,conservative, conspiracy theory bubble. Doesn't he need to come up for air sometime?
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:46:27 PM

Sounds like the cold north.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:45:28 PM

Rail may be statistically less safe than pipeline to transport oil, @us4usa, but at least there's a finite amount of oil that can be spilled from a train.

It takes hours to shut down a pipeline when there's a breach.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:43:47 PM

Wait till one of those trains derail and the damages to the environment they will cause. Trains are way more dangerous then pipelines.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:43:15 PM

Whatever . . .
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:42:48 PM

Yes, @Yonkers111. Let America do the refining. Unfortunately, after refining, the petroleum products are exported out of America and gas prices still stay high.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:41:42 PM

ill never understand why its not refined here
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:41:14 PM

"...bound for the Chicago area, where the oil will then be dumped into U.S. pipelines..."

Well, that's an unfortunate use of the word "dunped".

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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:38:10 PM

Just get the perfect blend
Plus what you have within....
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:35:20 PM

Doing what has to be done.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:35:06 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:32:43 PM

build the pipe lines already.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:28:40 PM

Interesting.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:25:07 PM

Ship all ya want, but (and that is a big but) the price is not coming down. It's the dumb bells on the CBT that control the price.
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Trains ease pain!!!
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:24:14 PM

good
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:23:12 PM

Whateger it takes to get the crude to market.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:22:23 PM

Get it to US refineries so American can do the refining.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:22:05 PM

no kidding
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Yes yes
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:19:31 PM

There were always more options other than pipelines.With rail they can go any direction they want. The problem with the Mississippi is the drought and low water levels which lowers barge capacity. Their plan is still to get the bitumen to Louisiana refineries, for refining into gasoline or diesel for export? That leaves the good ole USA with the residue, chemicals, and pollution. Same outcome. They want to dilute the nasty stuff with lighter grades and get a price of $100 a barrel for stuff that cost them a little over $13 a barrel? No, it will not bring down oil or gasoline prices! The plan is to get Canada golden goose to market and get better world price for it.
The same thing is going on here with our natural gas and they Big Energy wants to get world market prices for it. But (big Energy) wants you to convince congress that it is a good thing for America to export our natural gas in the form of LNG on the world market. If that happens, we will pay more for fuel gas and heating.
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you can bet fair money that it still makes money, the main thing is getting it wherever
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:15:51 PM

pipe it or move it
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Build Keystone
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:10:18 PM

Cost rail more then pipe but less then truck, risk rail more then pipe but less then truck...
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Cool.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:08:31 PM

American and Canadian business in action... finding a way to get the job done.,
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