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Carmakers Find Ways to Make Cheaper Hybrids

Technology Review -- The fuel-sipping cars have typically been pricier than conventional counterparts, but technological advances are changing that.

As automakers work to comply with fuel-economy standards, they're increasingly turning to hybrids. Last week, for example, Toyota announced that it would make 21 hybrid models by 2015, up from 12 now (see "Toyota Scales Back Electric Vehicle Plans" and "Stringent CAFE Standards Push Automakers"). Automakers have grown more enthusiastic about hybrids because the cost of making them has plummeted. Several years ago, Toyota's Prius hybrid cost the consumer about $6,000 more than an equivalent conventional car—and even at that price, the company was losing money on every one it sold. The difference is now $2,500, and the car is profitable, says Mike Omotoso,...


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Oct 5, 2012 11:50:08 PM

so far, hybrids are costly, but w/ more being bought, the price comes down.
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 12:39:40 AM

Good.
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flyfast
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 9:23:18 PM

still cost to much
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bston
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 3:57:38 PM

Very happy with our Camry hybrid we've had nearly 5 years; it runs like a well oiled machine!
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 12:25:26 PM

Thank you for posting.
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 8:53:14 AM

Alrighty then
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 8:21:12 AM

Good for consumers and the earth
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Message Posted: Oct 2, 2012 7:53:41 AM

Bring em on!
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:19:30 PM

“The batteries are charged by braking.”

Ummm, not exactly. If the car has regenerative braking, the batteries will be charged when you decelerate without braking, such as rolling up to a stop light or down a hill with your foot off the gas pedal. When you apply the brakes the energy is dissipated as heat in the brakes and does not go into the batteries.

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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:12:36 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:09:55 PM

If you want economy you just pay for it later - -
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:09:36 PM

Baby steps ...
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:07:56 PM

Don't want one.
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I think I will just throw my eaten up corn cobs in the gas tank and wait for them to ferment.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:06:04 PM

Good and in 10 years will see more and more of thesr cars.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:03:04 PM

Good
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 11:02:36 PM

we need the mileage
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:59:02 PM

keep the cost going down and mileage up. maybe someday but not for me now.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:52:47 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:51:57 PM

ok
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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:51:35 PM

For the record, @camel1, hybrids don't need to be plugged in. The batteries are charged by braking.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:49:58 PM

Good to see...
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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:49:30 PM

They were talking about hybrids, @clermont40miles, not electric vehicles.

Right now, hybrids are the same price as diesels.
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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:48:01 PM

Why stop at a V8 engine, @OGW? Why not just go for a V12?
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clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:47:16 PM

CheapER does not mean cheap.

EV's are not affordable.

Fix that.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:46:52 PM

Volkswagen has been working on a diesel hybrid, @zdcatc12, but just understand that diesel engines already are more expensive than gasoline engines. Then you would have to add the hybrid technology on top of that. Therefore, a diesel hybrid car would be even more expensive.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:46:25 PM

Car manufacturers are building more hybrid models but are they cost effective?
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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:44:36 PM

@suzmar, you have the right to live in denial all you want, but don't expect $2/gal gas to ever come back. Might as well get used to driving a car that gets better gas mileage now.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:43:01 PM

still a niche market - too expensive
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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:42:47 PM

Trust me, @stopforgas, you don't have to drive like a senior to get great mileage from a hybrid. Living in New York, I stomp on the gas to get a jump on the other cars in traffic. I drive with the a/c on in the summer and the heat on in the winter. With all that, I still get 42mpg combined city and highway driving with my 2007 Toyota Prius.

The lowest mpg I ever got in 95,000 miles of driving was 38mpg while driving in 15 degree F. weather with the heater going full blast.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:42:12 PM

Maybe few years down the road.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:40:16 PM

Not in my lifetime.
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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:38:02 PM

Thank you @Sportdeck for the great post. You're absolutely right that a MPG meter would do a lot to save gas. In order to change driving behavior, people need some method of feedback to give them positive reinforcement.

The newest Honda Civic has a meter with bars that disappear, the harder you step on the accelerator. Subconsciously, you adjust how hard you stomp on the gas. After awhile, saving gas becomes a game as you try to keep the mpg meter as high as possible.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:31:59 PM

Every new car, hybrid or not, should have both an AVG MPG meter and an instantaneous MPG meter.

I have a 2010 Honda Insight Hybrid and a 2013 Kia Rio eco. They both shut the engine off at street lights when stopped, but the biggest factor in both of them is the driver behind the wheel, regardless of the technology under the hood. I get 42-45 MPG in the Honda, my wife and daughter get 35-40 on most trips. The Kia has gotten over 30MPG already, with mostly city driving.

I constantly look down the road for things that are going to stop me, like the light that just turned yellow 2 blocks ahead. My foot immediately comes off the gas in either car. Other cars pass me, but I catch up to them at the red light, or roll past them on the green, as I never came to a stop. Seeing the instantaneous MPG at 5 when accelerating away from a stop, makes my foot come up off of the gas most the time.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:30:47 PM

they will have to be financially viable
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stopforgas
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:30:15 PM

Eventually they'll be affordable and it will make sense to buy one - that is, if you have the driving habits that would allow for hybrids.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:26:05 PM

They are going to have to be much cheaper to make them make sense economically. All of this is being driven by stupid Federal policies.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:22:10 PM

Ok.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:19:52 PM

k
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:19:51 PM

EV's or Hybrids can't tow my trailer!
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:17:37 PM

Still going to have to get a lot cheaper before I consider one!
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:17:07 PM

Interesting article...
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:14:41 PM

The price has always been the main problem with selling this technology.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:14:12 PM

Why don't they make a diesel hybrid? The mileage would be even better than now.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:13:57 PM

thats just great
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:12:37 PM

we'll see
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:11:16 PM

even with lower prices I dont think I would go hybrid.
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jorod55
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:09:33 PM

But hybrids are not the answer.
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:08:02 PM

Build a better gasoline V8 engine instead of wasteing time with hybrid garbage!
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 10:05:39 PM

Good for them.
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