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Citing 'accident' risk, Rancho LPG storage facility opponents want tanks moved

Press-Telegram -- Described as a "ticking time bomb," San Pedro's Rancho LPG storage facility came under renewed fire on Saturday as residents gathered to hear a terrorism risk expert talk about the tanks.

About 70 people attended the two-hour discussion sponsored by a coalition of homeowners groups, neighborhood council members and an organization that sponsors the website HazardsBeGone.com/.

The tanks storing propane and butane at 2110 N. Gaffey St. have come under increasing scrutiny by those who say the materials pose a danger to tens of thousands of residents for miles around.

From street demonstrations to community forums and videos showing the potential damage of a tank disaster, activists have pushed their cause to move the Rancho LPG facility, owned by Plains LPG, out of the area.


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Submitted Feb 25, 2013 By: NOTSOGRN
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 10:03:58 PM


It is a good article! Thanks for posting.
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NedW
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 12:08:08 AM

Thank you for submitting this article, NOTSOGRN.
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:20:09 PM


It seems this article is on target. I think one of the issues brought forth was the legitimate question, What will LPG Storage facilities cover in the event of a disaster?

Homeowners in the proximity deserve an answer to this question.
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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 4:22:43 PM

Should have thought about that before they were built
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Catfish93001
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 1:38:35 PM

The concerns are justified, if that thing goes boom there's going to be a very large crater where it was.
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fuel2use
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 12:16:46 PM

To bad it is next to an oil refinery.
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zaq001
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:58:38 AM

Each of these facilities undergoes a security and vulnerability assessment. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors from leftist environmental wingbats.
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GoLancer4
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:29:44 AM

yep
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rbrowdersr
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:27:54 AM

Don't count on the right thing being done.
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ModelWarships
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:55:49 AM

not in my backyard. But I still want to use the propane and I don't want to pay extra because it has to be trucked in from out of state. Makes perfect sense to a California Liberal.
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Insuremn
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:52:38 AM

Everything is an issue in CA.
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BossPal
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:51:21 AM

well if the presnt property owners dont like it they can move, or if enough interest is raised they government can get involed and claim EMINENT DOMAIN problem solved.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:48:38 AM

Maybe the owner will do the right thing? LOL
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99church
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:47:30 AM

Just move the tanks
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bluebird1
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:46:34 AM

Too bad it's not easy moving such things & that we need such storage to begin with, & nskmda makes a good point...except this sounds more of houses being built near it & then owners complaining. The article states was there in the 70's & has a 'grandfather clause' to allow it to still operate. So if residents are so riled up about it, they shouldn't have moved in beside it, as I'm sure few are original owners of over 40 yrs!!
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Don20
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:46:17 AM

So lets advertize it more, so all the morons know where it is....
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geezrtek
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:46:09 AM

California more crazy people per square foot than anywhere else in the country. When they chase all the energy resources out of the state, they will shocked and hurt that their energy prices will continue to be the highest in the nation.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:41:37 AM

it's confusing to see either such things built in such areas or houses built next to such things...
if it's potentially dangerous, why place them next to each other?

@Titanic1985
exactly, man, exactly

[Edited by: nskmda at 2/25/2013 10:42:36 AM EST]
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Titanic1985
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:41:17 AM

I have to agree with twinfanMN when he said, "Who was there first the people or the tanks? If the people moved to the area knowing the tanks were there then tough hop." When I lived in Virgina, Dulles International Airport was built in 1972. It was located 13 miles from the Capital Beltway and the Federal Government who owned it, at that time, built the 13 mile Interstate connection solely to drive to the airport. Nothing was in the area near the airport at that time. Eventually, houses and business began to appear and now it is fully developed and people are complaining about aircraft noise, possible accidents, etc. The airport was their first in 1972. What are they supposed to do -- move it?
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Number43
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:39:31 AM

If it's there lawfully then tell them to go to hell. If they don't like it then they should move.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:36:45 AM

Butane tank go boom.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:35:49 AM

"Rancho LPG Holdings LLC (Rancho) is a liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) storage facility located in San Pedro, Calif. Since 1973, the Rancho terminal has operated on North Gaffey Street directly adjacent to a local refinery. The Rancho facility is used for seasonal storage of butane, which is a byproduct of gasoline refining. The facility also handles a small amount of propane. In the summer months, butane is temporarily stored due to California air quality requirements. In the winter months, butane is blended into gasoline."

This area along the coast of Los Angeles is home to many refinery operations and the air often is unacceptable because of it. I was stationed at Long Beach Naval Station, next to San Pedro, in 1969 and the quality of life around the base was horrible because of all the nearby refinery operations. As I understand it, those conditions still exists in many areas around San Pedro. California needs what comes from those refineries. Unfortunately, it is also overpopulated and many thousands of people have move into those bad areas, For them to complain about it is ludicrous ;) I would worry more about air quality and move away than I would about those tanks that are used to make gasoline.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:35:26 AM

So who is going to pay to relocate the tanks? Not the protesters!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:35:18 AM

alwaysridin88, I totally agree. Stupid, isn't it.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:33:28 AM

Not a place to be when it goes off.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:33:02 AM

NIMBY!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:32:53 AM

Why would one even move to a place that has such catastrophic potential.. I don't even keep my BBQ near my house, it is at the far end of the yard where if the tank blew it would be a good distance from everyone, neighbors included.. If I didn't have that space I wouldn't have a propane BBQ.. Seriously folks.. Same as living near a large water tank, oil, or those large intense electric structures.. I understand that the living is probably less expensive, but at what human cost??
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:32:17 AM

Let's publicize this more and make sure the terrorists really know the address, etc so they can make this a self-fulfilling prophesy.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:31:27 AM

Who was there first the people or the tanks? If the people moved to the area knowing the tanks were there then tough hop.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:30:05 AM

Just like an insurance agent...spread fear to get you to sign up for a policy
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:29:36 AM

Put in a bomb shelter!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:28:45 AM

OK
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:28:26 AM

sounds reasonable
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:28:11 AM

Those same people risk their lives driving on roads.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:27:15 AM

Sounds like the old NIMBY effect. (Not In My Backyard). This is just like folks building homes at the end of airport runways when the airport was there first and then complaining about the noise. Let's get ALL the facts folks.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:26:53 AM

Another group of lawsuit happy California Moron's.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:26:01 AM

Precarious.. But the not in my backyard syndrome is.taking placr.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:25:25 AM

Are the stupid tree huggers going to pay for the expense? Maybe the natives will freeze when the LPG goes away!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:24:56 AM

Sounds like a conspiracy.....
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:24:41 AM

The tanks need be move!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:24:30 AM

Whoa !!! A time bomb in their midst.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:23:26 AM

Move where? Who going to pay for move? Imagine moving these tanks thats going to be costly and probably dangeous!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:23:11 AM

ARCO, tanks originally went in that area when the oil fields in the San Pedro area went into production in 1923 and it is in the juridiction of the Port of Los Angeles. I can remember the original controversy back in 1973 when Petrolane filed the permits to upgrade to new and the Brown vs Petrolane 102 Cal App3rd 720. The courts have ruled, the tanks are in a port authority created by the State of California for this purpose 30 years before the subdivisions were built.

In 1980 the HOA's sued to remove the terminal and lost so that is race adjucicata. The HOA's have received a 103 page legal pinion written legal opinion from the City of Los Angles Port Authority telling them to forget it.

You guys taking the HOA side should learn all the facts first.

http://www.portoflosangeles.org/pdf/rancho_facility_attachments.pdf
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:21:02 AM

If the residents are will to cover the expense 100% then fine. Otherwise why did you buy a house in the area?
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:19:44 AM

Must be a better solutions than just moving the storage tanks some place else.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:19:31 AM

Unfortunate this concern wasn't expressed prior to building the facility
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:19:15 AM

Were the homes there first, or were the tanks there first?
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:19:03 AM

They won't be able to make them move the tanks.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:18:56 AM

Get over it.
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:18:53 AM

I agree ILANGE9
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 9:18:11 AM

where does it move?
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