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EPA blasted for requiring oil refiners to add type of fuel that's merely hypothetical

Fox News -- Federal regulations can be maddening, but none more so than a current one that demands oil refiners use millions of gallons of a substance, cellulosic ethanol, that does not exist.

"As ludicrous as that sounds, it's fact," says Charles Drevna, who represents refiners. "If it weren't so frustrating and infuriating, it would be comical."

And Tom Pyle of the Institute of Energy Research says, "the cellulosic biofuel program is the embodiment of government gone wild."

Refiners are at their wit's end because the government set out requirements to blend cellulosic ethanol back in 2005, assuming that someone would make it. Seven years later, no one has.

"None, not one drop of cellulosic ethanol has been produced commercially. It's a phantom fuel," says Pyle. "It doesn't exist in the market pl


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E-Squirrel
Champion Author Orange County

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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2012 3:08:54 PM

The EPA continues to insist on fining refiners for failure to add cellulosic ethanol to gasoline, despite the fact that no cellulosic ethanol is available.

The API has now filed a second action against the EPA over this issue.

Second suit
E-Squirrel
Champion Author Orange County

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Message Posted: Jun 26, 2012 4:01:23 PM

rjhenn claims:

"Interesting that these requirements that so many are moaning about were set out by Congress in 2005 (the Energy Policy Act of 2005). Who was in charge then?

Oh, wait, that was the Republicans!"

The real story here, in case you might have missed it, is about "practical", not political. Back in 2005, when the policy was first considered, no cellulosic ethanol was being produced, although the technology to do it goes back to the era of WWI, and German technology.

In 2005, the DOE acknowledged that research was necessary in order to make cellulosic ethanol "practical". Today, while the same technology is still available, it costs roughly twice as much to make a gallon of ethanol from cellulose, rather than corn, which is why there is no commercially available cellulosic ethanol available.

Recognizing that despite efforts to subsidize research to make cellulosic ethanol practical, it still remains too expensive by a factor of 2, the EPA has twice reduced the cellulosic mandate. Since the ethanol STILL isn't available yet, it really needs to reduce the requirement and fine to zero until it is. Fining fuel producers for failing to add an unavailable component just raises our fuel cost unnecessarily. Don`t we already pay enough for a gallon of fuel?
rjhenn
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 11:50:35 PM

Interesting that these requirements that so many are moaning about were set out by Congress in 2005 (the Energy Policy Act of 2005). Who was in charge then?

Oh, wait, that was the Republicans!
E-Squirrel
Champion Author Orange County

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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 6:44:59 PM

SandeeC asks a reasonable question:

"Why is it that whenever something to do with gas and/or oil is involved that governments, companies, industries, etc. etc. that the cart is always put before the horse?"

Because the policy to require cellulosic ethanol was conceived to meet a politcal, rather than a practical agenda, AND, the bill was drafted by ethanol interests.
sparky808
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 4:43:29 PM

Thank you for posting.
tomok
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 2:48:48 AM

If cellulosic ethanol is not being produced and it is required, then it can't be added. So what's the problem? Don't worry, Be happy!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe and reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
camaro_man
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 1:38:55 AM

wow
KrsnaDragon
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Message Posted: Jun 23, 2012 12:12:34 AM

Old 'news'.
nomad228
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:41:01 PM

epa trying to shut down coal mines that produce 14 percent of americas electrical power while laying off 9000 power company workers and that does not include the 14 mines they are trying to shut down in west by god virginny.stupid epa killing america while driving up power cost exponentially.if the mines do not get this scrub their coal. : ) pure genius add costs to coal production so coal power costs ared riven up even if they comply witht he epa.this is almost as laughable as making companies produce less carbon dioxide,while all plant life on the planet needs it to produce air/oxygen which humans need to live,not to mention the plant life we eat and also our livestock consumes that we eat.just shows the pure genius of the epa.i wish someone would audit the epa and see if they are even following these asinine rules they are trying to make others follow.
jrsva
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:37:41 PM


Too bad ethanol of any sort has not become a “phantom fuel.” Better off without it.
SparkieMi
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:27:33 PM

Interesting.....
crreed1
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:26:57 PM

BS
KhelbenArunson
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:26:19 PM

well it sounds like someone needs to fix that regulation then.
eightiesgod
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:25:42 PM

old
SaturnSC
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:24:43 PM

Blast em
kusanagisama
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:23:52 PM

Ok.
SparkieMi
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:21:41 PM

Interesting......
CDMAuto
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:19:33 PM

ARE WE REALLY FREE? EPA dose not think so......
unclemattie
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:18:07 PM

"Man is not free unless government is limited." - Ronald Reagan
KnoxGasPriceSpy
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:17:53 PM

omg is right and he can take the EPA with him...
jrschl
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:16:10 PM

They should be. Chu must be calling all of the shots now...
thuathienhue
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:14:50 PM

EPA is going to far. Remember to vote in the next election for a change for the better.
dancygreen
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:13:38 PM

omg
vibdata
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:11:26 PM

The EPA is one of the worst examples of its kind. It's the last place you'd expect to find any intelligence trying to protect anyone's environment.
monarch57
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:10:33 PM

We don't need any more crap in gas.
tatker
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:10:22 PM

EPA smells like beef and cheese
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:10:06 PM

I don't believe anything from Faux News!
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:07:00 PM

Hummmmm
TFowler513
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:07:00 PM

It would all be a moot issue if we all would start to exploit all alternatives available.
PrinceLH
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:06:45 PM

More stupidity!
Jumpmaster82
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:01:41 PM

EPA should go away... with obama
menagerie1013
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:01:33 PM

Typical governmental FUBAR.
hank1326
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 11:00:01 PM

Too much government, too little common sense.
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:59:45 PM

surprise, surprise
camel1
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:58:34 PM

sounds like ridiculous government interference
billwho
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:58:14 PM

Outstanding work by another government agency. I know how to produce it, but I have been calling it "mung".
ItsMorph
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:56:26 PM

FINALLY, something to blame Bush for!
DEG
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:53:48 PM

Bush didn't get everything right either. The EPA is very overbearing and is a heavy weight on the economy.
WRX1
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:52:29 PM

Hard to believe that FoxNews left out one little detail: The EPA is just trying to follow the rule in an act signed into law by George W. Bush, the 2005 Energy Policy Act (H.R. 6). You can look it up.
sit
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:51:30 PM

ok
scubadaniel
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:50:05 PM

EPA... Today's communist trying to destroy capitalism
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:48:45 PM

EPA SUCKS!!!!
btex49
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:46:08 PM

Get government micromanagement out of our lives!
mgune9
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:40:32 PM

EPA is fast becoming a big and costly political joke
wild3bill
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:40:30 PM

And some bureaucrat wanted to crucify Oil Company Officials.
Let the one who i8s withgout brains make the rules ;-}
jpgilmor
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:35:19 PM

Interedting
trytogetby
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:33:59 PM

Where are the physical people that make up the EPA. They need to have a mental test of the abilities .
MDTDriver
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:30:57 PM

MONEY MONE and on.
boatmen
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:26:00 PM

EPA needs to be shut down
DrLyon
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Message Posted: Jun 22, 2012 10:21:58 PM

Rethink...
Ray_10589
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hauler43 ... agree
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