jrs4125

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 8:27:06 AM
So whats new?
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nsdp

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 8:09:02 PM
Whether fracking is good or bad is not the issue here. My experience is that like everything else, fracking done by qualified people, using the proper equipment, and with adequate funding is very low risk. It is not 0 but less than you being hit by lightning.
The story here is Dr Groat knowingly violated federal securities laws and state ethics laws and University of Texas rules. Dr. Groat's report is the same as a stock analyst touting a stock which he owns and not disclosing the position. Then selling his stock after the stock moves higher based on his recommendation. Dr. Orbach failed to enforce the state law and the University rules. The Regents responsible for compliance should go also. This was a screw up up and down the line.
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Dennisjk

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 5:04:45 PM
Fracking has been going on for a long time with no impact.
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drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 3:34:49 PM
The review found no “intentional misrepresentation” by Groat, and even believes that, at the time, he was likely not violating established conflict of interest policies at the University.
Other than the conflict of interest, which Groat and the University, should have made clear, where is the evidence that the studies done were flawed? Groat did not perform the studies.
Here's a list of other Unversity studies and reports that basically found the same conclusions:
An Analysis of the Economic Potential for Shale Formations in Ohio, prepared by faculty and staff from Cleveland State University, Ohio State University, and Marietta College, and sponsored by the Ohio Shale Coalition, April 2012
Carnegie-Mellon Marcellus Greenhouse Gas Study: Life cycle greenhouse gas emissions of Marcellus shale gas, by Jiang et al., Environ. Res. Lett. 6 (July-September 2011)
The Cornell University Study: Methane and the greenhouse-gas footprint of natural gas from shale formations, Howarth et al., Climatic Change, March 13, 2011
Rebuttal: A commentary on “The greenhouse-gas footprint of natural gas in shale formations,” June 20, 2011 Rebuttal: Assessing the greenhouse impact of natural gas, Jan. 7, 2012
The Duke University Study: May 2011, www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1100682108
Duke University Study: Geochemical evidence for possible natural migration of Marcellus Formation brine to shallow aquifers in Pennsylvania. Nathanial R. Warner, Robert B. Jackson, Thomas H. Darrah, Stephen G. Osborn, Adrian Down, Kaiguang Zhao, Alissa White, and Avner Vengosh, May 2012
Economic Impact of the Eagle Ford Shale, prepared by The University of Texas at San Antonio Institute for Economic Development’s Center for Community and Business Research, May 2012
Environmental Impacts During Marcellus Shale Gas Drilling: Causes, Impacts, and Remedies, conducted by researchers at the University of Wyoming, Pennsylvania State University, and the State University of New York at Buffalo, May 15, 2012
Hydraulic Fracturing and Water Resources: Separating the Frack from the Fiction, prepared by the Pacific Institute, June 2012The Penn State Study: The Impact of Marcellus Gas Drilling On Rural Drinking Water Supplies, conducted by Pennsylvania State University and funded by the Center for Rural Pennsyvlania; revised report, Nov. 22, 2011
Revisiting the Economic Impact of the Natural Gas Activity in the Fayetteville Shale: 2008-2012, prepared by the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Arkansas, May 2012
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PDQBlues

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 1:38:16 PM
Oh, imagine that. The proponents of fracking are getting financial support from the fracking corporations to skew its research findings and mislead the public. Who would have thought?
Very true bluebird1. Time and time again, even in medicine, the influence of gifts and money from a particular corporation will inevitably influence those people. This conflict in a university is grossly obvious and was purposely established to mislead the public.
If people are allowed to know all the chemicals used in fracking (which they cannot right now), then there's a chance that fracking can be done more safely.
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Cheepo

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 12:05:00 PM
Fracking was done for decades, why now this controversy????????
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bluebird1

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:44:19 AM
Imagine a study that's not fracked up to what it should be!! The two head honchos with conflict of interest & found fracking is safe. As for the line 'our universities are not for sale' is just as much of a lie, as they are & always looking for funding. As for so many other studies pulled/tainted, remember the reach money has & oil/gas means money. Even if scientists have their pensions tied in commodities, it means heavily tied to oil/gas & could be swayed toward better returns. It's behind over 50% of our economy & very difficult to truly find divested people for studies. Also, the more wealth they have like heads of institutes to lead professors, the more likely they will have large investments in Oil/gas industries - not to mention kickbacks/peer pressure influences etc.
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geezrtek

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:27:08 AM
What were they thinking?
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mswillia

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:23:55 AM
oh boy
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humblepie

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:21:39 AM
and another one bites the dust
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DarthDadJr

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:21:30 AM
You have to always look at who is funding any study...is there a "hidden agenda" behind it and what bias is affecting its conclusions.
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LJGP_MO95

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:10:31 AM
zzzz
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Double_Golden

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San Francisco
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:43:17 AM
agree with "bullseye100" we don't need chemical into the the ground and into the underearth water, we are having less and less clean under earth waters...
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mattymattmatt

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Scranton
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:42:17 AM
To me, fracking studies are quickly becoming the new global warming kind of studies. You just don't know who to trust and what kind of agenda, if any, they are pushing with the results of their work. It's sad when you automatically assume anymore that these people in power positions are just trying to dictate your thoughts to match their own. Where is the truth anymore and are people willing to find it and declare it without bias?
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DutchTreatMI

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:39:44 AM
Don't know who to trust.
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BartBuzz

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:39:30 AM
I love these fracking stories. Such BS. Makes me wonder if the conclusions didn't fit their agenda.
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LuckyD43

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Long Island
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:32:30 AM
It's gotten to the point where you just don't know who to believe any more.
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w4kh

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Tennessee
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:31:26 AM
One of these days, we may actually get a scientifically-based, peer reviewed study of hydraulic fracturing. I believe horizontal drilling and "fracking" CAN be done safely, but I have to wonder if the costs of doing it correctly and safely might make the process uneconomical. Given Big Oil and Gas remain focused on profit, which means cost reduction as well as revenue improvement, the likelihood of cutting corners to save expenses (as BP did with the Deepwater Horizon) leaves much uncertainty.
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bullseye100

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:28:06 AM
ANY chemicals injected into the ground cannot be good.
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SycamoreISU

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:28:00 AM
Quite a tangled web . . . .
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GasCzarCO

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:25:46 AM
Do you really believe the oil & NG companies are telliNG you the truth when they tell you injectiNG chemicals underground won't contaminate drinkiNG water?
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TWS658

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Portland
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:23:29 AM
Interesting.
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DABEE1073

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:18:43 AM
They will do what they got to do.
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Chinto12

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:18:12 AM
Lets go back to the dark ages. It was so much better then.
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#12#_vabchusa

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:17:04 AM
What's new...more lies so more money can be made for a few
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bobzilla11

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:16:24 AM
say it taint so
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dlemma

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Wyoming
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:16:16 AM
What about all the EPA studies which are not even done in a scientific manner???????? Their studies say fracking is not safe - but they don't use scientific methods.
Fracking IS safe - areas that say their water has been tainted have actually had tainted water long before they ever THOUGHT of fracking. Yes - Global Warming hoaxters publish science and leave out important periods of time......
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ILVET

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:15:33 AM
Honest in anything is all but gone today in this society
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BlueVanGroup

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:15:08 AM
The study would also be thrown out if members didn't disclose a conflict of interest because they are government employees, right?
(I'm not holding my breath.)
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Hypersonic

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:14:57 AM
Fracking is bad.
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krobp46

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:14:57 AM
Fracking Liar
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jeff95519

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California
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:13:34 AM
so then what
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Hangnail309

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Manitoba
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:13:08 AM
The jury is still out on the subject of fracking.
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mreiff

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Louisville
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:13:03 AM
Fracking = pollution.
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FocusGuy

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:13:01 AM
o.b not happy
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CostEngineer

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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:12:43 AM
Fracking just sounds bad and then there are biased reports that puts it in a worse light. Yuck!
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yelobus

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Houston
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:12:02 AM
Franking is a short term phenomena. Water pollution will be like Chernoble.
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RUNNINONEMPTYFL

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Florida
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:10:25 AM
Oh FRACK!!!
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crep1291

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:10:13 AM
Not really surprising.
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Barfood

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:10:01 AM
The problem with capitalism: Everyone wants to make a buck (or millions of them) for themselves and their cronies.
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40mpgsaturn

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Wisconsin
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:09:43 AM
Interesting!
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MrLuigi

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:09:32 AM
controversy makes the world go 'round didn't you know?
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olefin

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Arkansas
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:08:51 AM
Just another liberal professor. Fracking is safe. Fracking does not contaminate groundwater.... that's been proven 60 times, even by the EPA.
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hwmillerster

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:08:31 AM
Same old story: anyone who knows anything about fracking has a vested interest in seeing it done.
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ruca2012

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:08:15 AM
the news lately has said that it causes environment damage and cattle have ben deadly sick not to mention human life
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olebufnav

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Omaha
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:07:01 AM
Sounds like the last presidential campaign --- buy a poll to support anything...
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Sapper08

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:06:30 AM
Fracking isn't the solution.
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survken

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:06:19 AM
Nobody know for sure.
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pmc3

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:06:17 AM
blah, blah, blah......
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LarksNY

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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:05:04 AM
What the FRACK!!!! Another controversy around this???
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