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Industries try to stop higher-ethanol fuel

USA Today -- A coalition of oil and food industry groups filed a petition with the Supreme Court Thursday asking it to overturn a lower court decision that said they didn't have standing to sue over a federal decision to allow more ethanol in fuel.

API and the Grocery Manufacturers Association were joined by groups representing the meat, pork and chicken industries in the petition because of the effect increased use of corn for fuel has on the prices the food industry has to pay for feed and raw materials. Corn is used in the production of ethanol.

The groups also claim EPA approved E15 before testing by the oil and auto industries had been completed. Earlier industry testing showed E15 could damage engines and cause vehicles that use it to break down. The groups say that's true even in the 2001 and

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bell013
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We don't need ethanol, especially E15.
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Good, only benefits farmers at cost of consumers
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When will politicians listen? Ethanol is NOT popular. Except to the farmers and of course their very powerful lobby.
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holy E15 fuel!
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There is NO question e15 will damage engines... shoot E10 is doing so... so why should 15 even be considered.
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No ethanol in gasoline!
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they don't give a shit
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It is disturbing to find myself agreeing with the API but this is a no-brainer. Ethanol is a three-way loser. It would be super if these groups have enough clout to get the RFS overturned as well as the E15 rule. We can all cheer for Big Oil just this once.
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CORN = SUGAR. as a food it offers very little nutrition. fiber and sugar.
its cheap sugar that's all.
E85 = 20% less Mpg.

but logic is rarely in reality . the government/the rich will always tell us sheep-people what to do. as they shove it down your throat
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i do my best to not purchase ethanol
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Need corn for grits not for our cars.
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Please stop all ethanlo fuel.
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Ironic. The food industry is complaining about the higher price of corn for their factory-farmed animals, but generally those animals shouldn't be eating corn products (and byproducts) at all. It's not their natural, healthy diet and the products that come from these corn-fed animals is making people sick.

Profit trumps common sense daily.

Oh, and yeah, I'm not keen to see higher-ethanol fuels forced on my vehicle that's not designed for it. Great for systems designed to withstand it, but I can't afford repairs brought on by political foolishness...
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Ban ethanol and defund the EPA.
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Please. I hope they can knock some sense into them.
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Stupit EPA liberals
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ETOH is a good fuel in a motor that is designed for it. We produce enough food for this country but we have a distribution problem. ETOH mixed into fuels for motors not intended to burn it is a bad idea promulgated by the government. The food distribution problem is made worse by politics. Get the gummint out of the picture.
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scubadaniel made this comment below...

Ethanol = Stuck on Stupid.

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my comment on his post...

Succinct. Accurate. To the point. Descriptive of greenies, lawmakers & bureaucrats promoting ethanol.
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Here we go again, blah-blah, blah-blah.
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Give it up, government! We need to feed out starving children.
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Ethanol is a bad idea and would not be in motor fuel if it were not subsidized.
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I hope these industry groups are successful in stopping higher percentage ethanol.

E-zero is the goal. Stop burning our food.
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could not agree more-but i also like ot point out do these groups actually still feed corn to their livestock. : ) really? according to one news stations i watched they dont feed corn to cows and other livestock because they were not designed by God to eat corn/whole grains. they were designed ot eat guess what.......grasses. bugs,worms,so on and so on. it is the industry of livestock growers who feed them corn to fatten up their profits/livestock .......just wanted to point out some of the white lies both sides are telling U.S. about meat prices and corn prices and fuel prices.:) knowledge is power and now you know the rest of the story. gi joe or walter kronkite. : ) hahahahahah
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dhan
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Corn is fuel for body, not car.
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Regulate if your not going to ban it
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Ban ethanol...
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fuel .....sorry
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they have no choice
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No more ethanol!
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no corn for food
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There is no choice. E10 is everywhere up here. No plain old gasoline anymore. But I'm sure it doesn't do any good for the engine. AND it doesn't get as many mpg as plain old gas.
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yep. Ban e10, e15, eeeeeeeeeeee
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Corn is for drinkin,
Gas is for driving.
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Ban E-15!
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more research
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Big Corn didn't stop at E-10, they want more, more like E-85...
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dont know
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Eat corn, do not feed it to your car.
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my car runs like crap on regular gas, if i put premium in it it purrs and i get 40-75 more miles on a tank full depending on city/highway driveing. its worth the extra $6-$8 fill up.
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Ethanol or flex fuel vehicles are not the problem in the future as we all change up, the problem is that we let it all come from CORN, that has to change.
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An example of businesses caring about their customers.

And as for everybody knowing that corn ethanol sucks. That of course excludes most of the bureaucrats and politicians in WashingtonDC. Most in WashingtonDC think E-15 is great, or our scared to stand up against E-15. Otherwise the E-15 crap would be scraped on behalf of consumers best interests.
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food is not fuel
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.
Get Government out of the Energy business
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Corn is for eating not fueling.
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Definitely need more research into possible damage to engines, actual cosr of producing a gallon of ethanol, and impact on other vital industries.
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It takes about 1.3 gallons of oil to produce one gallon of ethanol.
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I think it would be OK if it didn't come from food; it works great in Brazil.
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Ethanol in competition with food and feed is unethical and amoral.
A disgrace.
Ethanol should be banned.
And, it's bad for engines.
Damn type b bureaucrats and their 'regulations'!
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Hope they succeed
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