drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:08:11 AM
The truth is lawyers see so much green, as in $$$$$, that this stuff will continue for a while.
The truth shall set you free!
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 10:10:26 PM
No Listerine...those commercials are I believe are yours out of Boston.
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yardslave

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 5:10:36 AM
Ok....
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Marson

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Scranton
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 10:27:27 PM
Sad situation but many benefit from the pipeline. The land owners should be fairly compensated.
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listerone

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Boston
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 5:14:53 PM
Jimmy544...are you that lawyer I see on late night TV? Your ads go "Do you have cancer? Have you ever eaten brocolli...?"
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listerone

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Boston
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 5:11:31 PM
The only winners will be the parasite lawyers.
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Fencemaker

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 3:12:37 PM
vlaz55 - even if they refined the oil in Alberta, they'd still be putting in pipelines to move the refined product to the US.
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us4usa

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 2:35:51 PM
On one section of our farm the Electric Co. has a right-a-way we placed gates at both ends, our cattle gaze around/under the poles...
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JoeKR

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 2:23:24 PM
Jimmy544: I empathize with your experiences and point of view but in addition Ifail to see how eminent domain can be used by foreign interests.
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jimmy544

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Boston
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 2:11:20 PM
If it was your ranch or farm field being sacrificed for the profit of a transnational corporation you would not be happy either. They go in and cut down all of the trees if there are any and dig a big trench. I am not sure if the land can then be farmed on after wards or not. But they probably don't want farmers to plow over it when it is completed. So you lose land and probably trees and maybe buildings. The property is certainly worth less afterwards. Then there are the environmental problems if the pipe breaks or leaks. Your land may be then worthless for farming. Any way you look at it is a problem.
Our family lost property to eminent domain back in the 1950s it is not something anyone should have to go through. You have no idea how painful this can be until you have experienced eminent domain. It truly sucks. It is correct to make sure that this process is thoroughly vetted legally.
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vlaz55

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London
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 2:08:09 PM
I wish they would just refine the oil right there in Alberta, Canada.
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marinedad1949

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Lancaster
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 2:01:16 PM
Here we go again! Build the damn pipeline, upgrade our energy infrastructure, and someone please get Obama the hell out of D. C. I don't care if he goes on an extended vacation for the next (4) years, or what happens to him, just get his dumb ass the hell out of government. Let him take his socialist ideas to some other country, say France!
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05HD

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Cincinnati
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 2:00:33 PM
THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE SUPERCEDE THE RIGHT OF A FORIGN GOV.
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gsofrs

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:59:22 PM
Not an example of continuous improvement in action.
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eaglev

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:54:02 PM
Let them build the pipeline before Canada gives up and transports that oil to their West coast and ships it to China.
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PDQBlues

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:49:04 PM
I will side with the rights of the people over the profit making of a corporation every time.
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QuagmireLA

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Louisiana
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:43:47 PM
us4usa has a good idea there. If the deal with nebraska falls thhrough at least the pipeline could move the Bakken oil out of the Dakotas southward to be refined. Still worried about moving so much oil by train.
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us4usa

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:19:32 PM
Here is my two cents... Build the pipeline in three sections, The gulf to Oklahoma and Oklahoma to North Dakota then N.D. to Canada...
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drz614

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Harrisburg
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:06:32 PM
still up in the air on this topic.
why is canada in such a hurry to export this product? do they not have the refining capability or are they energy self sufficient? what monitoring is going to be put in place and who will be held responsible in the event of a spill/leak/equipment malfunction?
believe me, i would dearly love to see the work brought to those constructing the pipeline, but some questions should be answered. i have searched the internet and found the info lacking. feel free to send me links so i can be better informed.
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wang91554

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:01:30 PM
drags on and on
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Sapper08

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 1:00:12 PM
Sure gasper, progress for CANADA to pipe their oil across the U.S. and sell at market price.
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BrucePen

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:59:07 PM
There is a growing use of the courts to get around democracy.
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georged12

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:58:01 PM
This is called Democracy!
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Paw5X

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Gary
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:57:49 PM
Ain't that nice!
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snappytom2

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Corpus Christi
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:57:02 PM
Big Oil has very deep pockets and can carry on litigation forever. If, at first they do not win, they will simply wear you down to a bloody stump.
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gasper

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Edmonton
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:56:00 PM
Crazy decision stopping progress and keeping jobs from the state.
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Kawibiker

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:55:22 PM
This probably costs more in legal and other fees, than it would to just build it.. but anymore, you have to fight everyone to do what you want.. can't just do it!! like in the old days.. everyone picky and got their own thing they want to support. Support oil, or support research, support environment, they all conflict.. confusion is what you get when there are too many allowed to make choices..
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deputydog082

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:54:17 PM
big oil tries to get its way
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DrCashFlow

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:54:08 PM
correct decision
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Samo1961

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:53:41 PM
This again............
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hibsaw

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Mississippi
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:53:12 PM
Thank you Your Honor.
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scottydoesnt

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:50:21 PM
I don't even want to know how much this keystone pipeline crap has cost everyone in court fees !
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humblepie

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:50:20 PM
what horrible neighbors we have become
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oldiesman

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New York
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:47:15 PM
Good luck to them!
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Sethyl

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Miami
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:44:39 PM
interesting move. is it just a delay tactic?
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fullauto

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Reading
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:41:24 PM
"eminent domain" them
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Delight777

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:40:39 PM
OK.
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IUVidiot

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:39:23 PM
Just do it
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Soglaos

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:38:13 PM
Who Cares
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RichFWA

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Tacoma
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:36:23 PM
Only ones that will make out are the lawyers.
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tomok

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Portland
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:33:25 PM
Keystone XL pipeline: Judge won't block lawsuit challenging new Nebraska law? The Keystone XL pipeline is to process crude oil into fuel at the gulf coast refineries and export that fuel to countries that will pay more for it. The US will Not see cheaper fuel prices! Big Oil will build the pipeline, no matter what Sneeky or D.C. says. The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! Speculators, manipulators and the banks continue to unfairly and unjustly make the driving public pay higher prices at the pump for their personal greedy benefit. The price at the pump needs to go down to $2/gallon - *$3, *$3.50/gallon or *$4.00 is Not the new low! More Refineries are Not the answer, Stop exporting fuel is! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII! - The Day After......
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iamforiu

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:31:52 PM
Drill baby drill
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CAD69

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:29:06 PM
The only ones to benefit are the Lawyers!
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goinwgas

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:28:44 PM
Lawsuit, nothing new
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HawaiianGuy

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Idaho
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:28:24 PM
This is what is known as a Superfluous Lawsuit that is holding up progress.
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Discovery02

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Colorado Springs
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:26:08 PM
More Lawyers making a profit off of litigation.
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ggg452

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Manitoba
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:25:42 PM
and the cash keeps flowing... the longer it takes the more we all pay...
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WGW1

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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:25:36 PM
Refine close to the source. ??
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mackconsult

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Portland
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:23:17 PM
Drill baby drill
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Settjec

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Little Rock
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 12:22:58 PM
And why does it have to go down to Texas????
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