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Natural Gas Family Cars? CNG Cheap But Many Potholes

Investors.com -- The 76 station at the corner of Los Angeles' Olympic and La Cienega boulevards doesn't look much different from the myriad gas stations that dot the metropolis.

But next to the banks of traditional gas pumps is one dispensing a cheaper, cleaner-burning fuel to the occasional delivery van or Honda Civic equipped to use it.

The station is one of dozens in Southern California selling compressed natural gas. The region has one of the nation's densest concentrations of CNG fueling infrastructure.

That network is a key piece of the puzzle needed if motorists are ever going to convert en masse to the fuel, which currently goes for about $1.50 a gallon less than the equivalent amount of gasoline, thanks to decades' worth of new U.S. supply.

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honda0105
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2012 11:02:43 PM

we got a new CNG station that opened recently.
Gmsclecarparts
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Message Posted: Oct 1, 2012 1:49:03 PM

Largest concentration of CNG powered vehicles in the country are around the OKC area. When the CNG powered Honda Civics were first sold, nearly all came to the OKC area. Chesapeake encouraged their employees & vendors employees to buy them. Today, there are tons of CNG converted GM, Ford, Dodge & Toyota pickups also driving around. Never hear of one running out of CNG, there are so many places to fill up.
greghahn
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How does it do in cold weather? Propane doesn't work well for generators in areas that have cold winters.
52MPG
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 11:10:35 PM

Natural Gas is not for me.
DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 11:08:04 PM

What a concept
carranco
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 9:23:14 PM

remay, I agree.
remay
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 1:25:46 PM

"...have home filling stations feeding off the houses' natural gas line, rather than relying on sparse public infrastructure."Now that sounds reasonable.
tomok
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Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 4:35:55 AM

Natural Gas Family Cars? CNG Cheap But Many Potholes and those Potholes may be Numerous. As more and more vehicles are built to use natural gas OR are converted over to natural gas, more natural gas will be used and the price could go up. Don't expect natural gas to stay low for very long, the trend for fuel prices is always up and up more! Many more fueling stations are needed to fuel those CNG vehicles once they are built and sold.
Honda has a CNG vehicle on the market for quite a while now – Honda Civic GX. Get a refill kit for the home natural gas line and fill up there. If you are on the traveling, know where your fill up stations are and plan according.
To all those that think a CNG or Hydrogen vehicle is a bomb waiting to happen. Why haven't gasoline vehicles exploded on the roads? It's just as explosive as CNG or Hydrogen or more so! Do you really think the government would allow bombs on the road? Engage brain and think about it!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
Blue48
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 11:44:17 PM

TIME WILL TELL!
jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 11:20:59 PM

Would love to see this
Focus2
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 11:10:08 PM

Other countries have been using natural gas for a long time. There is a market for it in Japan, Korea and China. I had heard that Israel also uses it. Some of these countries already pay up to $6 a gallon for LNG which has raised eyebrows here in the oil market. Big Oil sees it as a way to supply those nations that are willing to pay that price for natural gas. Our gas supply will be condensed and exported as LNG. Alaska wants to get in on exporting theirs also. Its a big business and why wouldn't Wall Street want in on it as a commodity? Sure, if that happens, it could affect prices here in the USA as we would have to pay the world market price.
rahcat
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 11:04:37 PM

Go CNG
jrsva
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 11:01:03 PM


Few people are going to buy a NG-powered vehicle while fueling stations are so rare. The infrastructure has got to be in place to support NG vehicles and there is the rub. It will cost billions to build the infrastructure; will there be a sufficient customer base to justify it?
phinsup67
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:59:14 PM

A step
PizzaMon
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:58:29 PM

The fuel of the future, maybe.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:57:24 PM

To those saying that CNG cars won't happen in their lifetime, did anyone 25 years ago imagine that the bulky and expensive "carphone" would evolve into the pocket-sized personal computer that is the smartphone that practically everybody has in their hands today???
tidalwave3
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:57:12 PM

Need many more for the consumers to feel secure about it :)
mcmonsta
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:55:36 PM

cheaper almost always works
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:54:13 PM

@heysailor says it's ,"A waste of good natural gas"

What then is a better use for natural gas?
SparkieMi
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:53:30 PM

It will take time...
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:52:37 PM

@bobcatfan is correct that CNG has less energy in it than gasoline but that's why mileage and fuel costs are measured in "gasoline equivalents".

The volume of natural gas needed to travel the same distance as with gasoline is greater, however the cost of that volume of CNG is still $1.50 per gallon of gasoline equivalent LESS.
CCLighthouse
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:52:12 PM

It sounds good to me.
ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:49:17 PM

They have a lot to do before it's at every fuel station.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:49:01 PM

Why can't we have both CNG and electric, @driveonby1? We're gonna need both if we plan on reducing our oil use.

And reducing our use of oil is the quickest way to reduce gas prices.
danol43
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:47:21 PM

Price is too high. You'll never break even.
Holly123
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:47:09 PM

Right on Aviator Rob.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:47:00 PM

Just remember @big_mac64, that the more people that switch to CNG means that many fewer people will be using gasoline which should also lower the price of that fuel.
30mpg80
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:46:29 PM

As more truck fleets switch to natural gas, more fuel outlets will be added
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:45:20 PM

Good article. It sums up pretty well the pros and cons of CNG. That $5,600 price premium definitely needs to come down. Heck, hybrids and diesels only command around a $2,000 price premium.

The first auto manufacturer that builds a mass produced car that can run on both gasoline and CNG will have a winner on their hands.
abacus44
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:43:33 PM

OK
tutaw
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:43:15 PM

ok
TNT2EC
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:42:28 PM

Like any other NG vehicle, great it you have NG available for refueling. That's why delivery and city vehicles work best.
pgerassi
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:41:35 PM

Its better to have cars that can run on multiple fuels rather than one "magic bullet" because that "magic" fades after a while. When, not if, NG production slows, CNG will rise to more than gasoline.
suzmar
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:40:47 PM

This story was posted last night, it is old.
big_mac64
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:40:43 PM

only $1.50 less per gal? Then by the time it gets to consumer markets (infrastructure + more models added), demand goes up and we end up paying the same or more cuz demand has gone up...screwed again!
Shakleelady31
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:36:49 PM

Interesting.
Lou08
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:35:58 PM

Stop the "popcorn" gas use "Greenie" CNG stuff...
g747
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:35:39 PM

The wave of the future of transportation.
driveonby1
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:31:52 PM

Get rid of the government-funded electric junk and burn some natural gas!
wayoung56
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:31:20 PM

Interesting article...
Azimuthal
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:28:46 PM

Where are the natural gas stations (if any) in Canada?
bobcatfan
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:27:16 PM

CNG engines produce fewer horsepower per pound than a gasoline engine. The burn cleaner, but not more efficiently. Distribution to consumers is minimal at best and non-existent in most markets. CNG looks good on paper, but not a real solution at this time.
FreeeBee
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:22:46 PM

I think CNG is good and cheap. why is it not being implemented all over in USA? It should be. I will sure go for it.
waynemustang
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:21:26 PM

There are almost NO natural gas stations.
bkplenge
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:15:27 PM

Just hope the pothole speculators don't get hold of the natural gas market as well.
darkknight1
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:15:22 PM

ok
netman044
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:13:50 PM

Until the refueling infrastructure is developed CNG isn't practical for everyday transportation.
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:11:31 PM

Not in my lifetime
blazerbob91
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:09:45 PM

Still experimental for the majority of people
CAroadrunner101
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 10:09:00 PM

hmmm...
drobbbb
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need the infrastructure
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