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Navy turns sea water into jet fuel

TG Daily -- Scientists at the US Naval Research Laboratory are developing a process to extract carbon dioxide from seawater and use it to produce hydrogen gas, which can then be catalytically converted into jet fuel.

They've successfully recovered CO2 and produced hydrogen using an electrochemical acidification cell, and converted it to hydrocarbons that can be used to produce the fuel.

"The potential payoff is the ability to produce JP-5 fuel stock at sea, reducing the logistics tail on fuel delivery with no environmental burden and increasing the Navy's energy security and independence," says research chemist Dr Heather Willauer.

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Submitted Sep 27, 2012 By: NOTSOGRN

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knutzAL Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,248 Points:372,680 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 9:57:10 AM Ignore knutzAL Report Abuse k
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,144 Points:625,660 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 29, 2012 3:52:21 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse At what cost?
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,614 Points:2,257,260 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 7:17:32 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse For those complaining about the cost: Like most military research, this isn't for civilian use. Yet. This is to give the Navy a more secure and reliable fuel supply, so they don't have to depend so much on foreign ports and long lines of supply. Cost is secondary.
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,496 Points:1,271,125 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 1:44:11 PM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse Great, now turn lead into gold.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,144 Points:625,660 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 12:24:48 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse at what price?
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,610 Points:2,374,185 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 4:31:11 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Navy turns sea water into jet fuel? If they can extract CO2 dissolved in seawater and produce cheaper hydrogen and JP5, then do so. The ocean is very large and that potential fuel source would be limitless. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
jcdakota Champion Author Baltimore Posts:1,432 Points:378,320 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Sep 28, 2012 4:08:21 AM Ignore jcdakota Report Abuse What is the cost of oil based jet fuel? Could the process go commercial and ease the use of oil for jet fuel?
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madison8359 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:9,337 Points:1,621,970 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:25:04 PM Ignore madison8359 Report Abuse Good alternative, let's see if it works.
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OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:13,871 Points:1,719,520 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:16:57 PM Ignore OHMS Report Abuse ... recovered CO2 and produced hydrogen using an electrochemical acidification cell, and converted it to hydrocarbons BS chemistry wise they could produce hydrogen from seawater; all the seamens' breath and jet exhaust would produce adequate CO2 ;-)
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,445 Points:546,325 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:12:35 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse Cool technology.
Lizzylou Champion Author Stockton Posts:8,818 Points:2,357,285 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 11:01:06 PM Ignore Lizzylou Report Abuse At what cost???
EnergyEngineer Rookie Author Oklahoma Posts:90 Points:19,355 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:58:56 PM Ignore EnergyEngineer Report Abuse 3 to 6 per gallon, good idea but still just as expensive.
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rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,614 Points:2,257,260 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:49:22 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse Like most military research, this isn't for civilian use. Yet. This is to give the Navy a more secure and reliable fuel supply, so they don't have to depend so much on foreign ports and long lines of supply.
fracknsave Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,666 Points:58,000 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:48:59 PM Ignore fracknsave Report Abuse A LITTLE misleading? They have done it in a lab, not on a ship, so at this point it is physically possible, however practical or impractical it is. Headline implies planes are already aloft from the ship's chemistry experiment.
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VetteFan Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,884 Points:2,057,155 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:44:04 PM Ignore VetteFan Report Abuse Good for you Navy. Nuclear power to stay under way. Desalinization to get drinking and make-up water and now jet fuel from sea water. All that's left is trolling for fish and growing oranges (against scurvy) in a hydroponic garden. Carriers would only ports of call for liberty.
Shakleelady31 All-Star Author Fort Wayne Posts:597 Points:424,325 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:43:41 PM Ignore Shakleelady31 Report Abuse Very interesting.
dudleydolittle Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,578 Points:618,370 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:41:57 PM Ignore dudleydolittle Report Abuse There is lot's of seawater out there, hope it works.
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,224 Points:897,080 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:40:49 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse How cost effective is this? How much energy does it take to make this conversion?
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,992 Points:441,265 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:37:09 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse No need to drill for seawater, @bojiway1. It's available at sea level.
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,992 Points:441,265 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:34:54 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse If the Navy can catch their own fish, then they won't need to resupply their food either, @Rt118E.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,992 Points:441,265 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:32:56 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Buy a diesel car @lil_ebb and you will be. Jet fuel is practically diesel already.
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,992 Points:441,265 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:30:48 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse No, @carpenter4u. It's the President's way to cut a very long and very vulnerable supply chain for the Navy. Can't launch planes without fuel and tankers are very soft targets.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,992 Points:441,265 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:28:38 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Waitaminute. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Where is the Navy getting the energy to convert seawater to jet fuel? From nuclear power?
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trytogetby All-Star Author Cincinnati Posts:910 Points:224,845 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:10:56 PM Ignore trytogetby Report Abuse Let the American people see the proof. Not just tell us O' we did this. Sound like B.S. to me. O' I can turn water into wine , do ya believe me ?
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QuagmireLA Champion Author Louisiana Posts:1,081 Points:161,230 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:08:41 PM Ignore QuagmireLA Report Abuse If this works, and this is a big IF and We can keep the process secret the Navy has just solved all our economic problems. The Arabs can blow themselves or each other up and it wouldn't hinder world fuel supply.
yorkygurl2008 Veteran Author Indiana Posts:257 Points:51,785 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 10:08:11 PM Ignore yorkygurl2008 Report Abuse If you say so