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Norwegian University study exaggerates downside of electric vehicles

AutoBlog -- A recent column by Leo Hickman in The Guardian set off a wave of debate over the true merit of electric vehicles (EVs) compared to internal combustion engine vehicles (EVs). Hickman used a study from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) called Comparative Environmental Life Cycle Assessment of Conventional and Electric Vehicles that explored a variety of factors involved in the lifecycle of the car – from materials used to vehicle emissions to the source of energy moving the metal – as a starting point. The problem, as we'll see, is that the study uses some dubious assumptions to badmouth EVs.

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Submitted Oct 18, 2012 By: Eugenian
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 7:44:53 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:05:53 PM

This makes the point that you have to consider your sources. Lots of articles get written by "experts" who are on the payroll of one interest or another.
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melvindale
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:22:37 PM

Typical of big oil - lie their asses off. It looks like they really fear electric vehicles.

Instead of fighting them, they should get out of the oil business, get into solar electric and making components for electric cars. Then they profit from change instead of wasting money and effort fighting against change.

A good businessman sees potential profit from change. A fool tries to stop it.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 4:50:34 PM

interesting
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 4:19:50 PM

EV'ss still not economic nor green.
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DandD6527
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 2:21:43 PM

I concur with Bluebird1 - "Until batteries drastically improve, EV's is not the long nor short-term sol'n except in certain finite cases, like light local deliveries or limited commuting runs."
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 12:25:41 PM

OK
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:42:10 AM

Until batteries drastically improve, EV's is not the long nor short-term sol'n except in certain finite cases, like light local deliveries or limited commuting runs.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:48:14 AM

Exaggerated or not, it still points out that there's a lot more to look at than just the fact an EV is not burning gasoline. EV's are not as green as the green-weenies would have us believe.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:43:08 AM

I don't think the Norwegian study exaggerated at all.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:28:25 AM

On top of all that, people don't want them. They are not worth the extra cost.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:21:47 AM

A recent column by Leo Hickman in The Guardian set off a wave of debate over the true merit of electric vehicles (EVs) compared to internal combustion engine vehicles (EVs).

One thing its to expensive to purchase for the average consumer, the distance between changes is to short, and there is not a charging post on every corner like gas station. The cost to dispose of old batteries is half the cost of the new one. At this point they are expensive to maintain because not everyone can work on them... It may be good for in city deliver service or a get to work vehicle but that is about all. Not for me at this time...
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:15:00 AM

Yeah, go on about the tangents, just like our current President, and distract from what's important. Even the newest technology has still not overcome the battery problems, which have been worked on for thirty years or more. More importantly, , cost, infrastructure and national driving habits do not, and will not, ever support electric cars. to a national extent. The only reason they are available, like solar panels and wind mills, is that these companies have been incentivized by our president, our taxes, and, of course, the liberal press. OK, now I'll take a breath.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:06:27 AM

So what's new??? Environmentalist have been manipulating data to imply that almost any form of energy is bad in some way or another. In fact they even admit to lying and deception just to get an energy project stopped for a long term, expensive study or investigation. Their tactic is to keep the company in litigation and make it so too expensive for a company to develop some energy source so that they will eventually just give up and scrap the project.

I recall many years ago, they got a highway in Colorado diverted away from a small creek where they claimed some rare, endangered fish had it's breeding grounds. After the highway was diverted it was discovered that endangered species of fish never inhabited that creek and it was never a breeding ground. The environmentalist admitted that they made up the whole story just to get the highway moved further away from the creek....at a considerable expense to the state of Colorado.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:05:16 AM

For a local commute vehicle EV could fill the bill but for long distance, I'll take a regular powered car.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:04:37 AM

why go honest studies seem to be bashed so much ?
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:03:52 AM

Electrics are not very useful except as show!
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:03:31 AM

Just not my cup of tea.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:02:45 AM

Ridiculous.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:02:14 AM

Eggs are good, Eggs are bad, EV's are good, EV's are bad. Seems like findings are similarly consistent to other items that are "studied"
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:01:05 AM

If you want electric cars; you better invest in a "very Long" extention cord, because it will be a long long time before there are enough electric "plug ins" to keep you going on a very long trip
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:00:37 AM

Still not going to buy one.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 10:00:35 AM

With these studies, you get what you pay for.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:58:07 AM

You just have to pay in order to get any results you want from a study
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:58:05 AM

Thus the old saying "figures lie and liars figure". It's still not worth the extra cost!
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:55:53 AM

Still not interested in an EV.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:55:44 AM

Thats data manipulation
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:55:33 AM

Details, details, always more experts contradicting each other.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:55:32 AM

"dubious assumptions"
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:54:34 AM

Anyone can use data for their own agenda.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:51:58 AM

You can always use statistics to support any point of view you wish to convey.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:51:53 AM

Whatever...still won't buy one.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:51:20 AM

Thanks for the information.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:50:45 AM

Have to agree, EV cars are not the answer as viable alternative fuel vehicle.

[Edited by: goalie1950 at 10/18/2012 10:50:54 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:47:28 AM

yeah
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:47:17 AM


The religious wars continue.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:46:30 AM

It's not hard to make statistical figures tell any story you want.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:45:21 AM

Good information.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:44:51 AM

Noooo!!! and probably they where paid by an oil company. I knew that the article was garbage and stupid.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:42:49 AM

And now you know what opinions and studies are, as everybody has one.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:41:22 AM

opinions
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:41:02 AM

OK
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:40:59 AM

What's their agenda?
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:40:54 AM

Agree with DblChek, "Indyracefan is right." EV's are not cost effective nor useful in most of the country at this time. Maybe with improvements and less toxic batteries they will be more viable in the future.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:40:07 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:39:43 AM

Still waiting on a true up side to it.
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:39:33 AM

And who, pray tell, is this "Leo Hickman in The Guardian"???
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:39:13 AM

This may be an exaggeration, but it does bring up some thinking points!
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 9:37:52 AM

O well.
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