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Oregon looks at per-mile tax on gas sippers

The Columbian -- Oregon state officials are proposing an alternative tax for drivers who have bought efficient or electric vehicles that seldom or never stop at the gasoline pump -- where government has traditionally collected money to build and fix roads.

But the automaking industry calls the idea of mileage taxes another roadblock for efficient vehicles.

In its upcoming session, the Oregon Legislature is expected to consider a bill to require drivers with a vehicle getting at least 55 miles per gallon of gasoline or the equivalent to pay a per-mile tax after 2015.

Because it raises taxes, such legislation would need approval by three-fifths votes in both the House and Senate.

The tax would be based on mileage reports that could be made in a variety of ways, such as via smartphone app or GPS ...

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Submitted Jan 04, 2013 By: BurntOrange

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 4:55:32 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse it does feel like Big Bro is coming faster than we anticipated.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 6:40:57 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse cheaper to pay flat if you drive a lot. Not cheaper when you drive only a short bit.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,534 Points:745,720 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 8:58:12 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse if they do a per mile tax, they need to do away with the gasoline tax and charge everyone a per mile charge, and need to base it on gvw (small cars do not do as much damage to roadways as larger vehicles.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,599 Points:1,139,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:41:52 AM Ignore NedW Report Abuse This ought to be rejected on its face.
MidNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,541 Points:1,170,760 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:59:24 PM Ignore MidNJ Report Abuse As one method of road generating taxes decreases (fuel efficient gas sippers), another must take its place, so it seems.
BurtB Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,144 Points:1,364,140 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:02:01 AM Ignore BurtB Report Abuse no good deed goes unpunished
doctorindyj Champion Author Santa Fe Posts:3,438 Points:836,785 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:03:25 AM Ignore doctorindyj Report Abuse If they could find a way to tax air they would. Oh wait, they did.
peabeax55 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:713 Points:185,515 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:20:04 AM Ignore peabeax55 Report Abuse Ba$tard, liberal, rip-off artists. This is very similar to my local water department raising rates when we were all successful saving water, AT THEIR REQUEST, during some very dry years.
AJeepLife All-Star Author Ottawa Posts:626 Points:330,010 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:32:31 AM Ignore AJeepLife Report Abuse "Everybody uses the road, and if some pay and some don't, then that's an unfair situation that's got to be resolved," said Jim Whitty of the Oregon Department of Transportation. What load of crap! We all pay- through common taxes and fuel taxes! HEY DOT get your head out of your preverbial a$$ and become as efficient in your operations as cars/trucks are! Whats next charging school bus opertators? or police and emergency vehicles?- which increases other taxes paid to state/munipiple governments. Don't punish those of out there doing a better job with thier investments than you are capable of doing with yours
Point__man Champion Author Raleigh Posts:4,325 Points:875,745 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:29:40 AM Ignore Point__man Report Abuse IMHO: We have to pay for maintaining and creating roads, don't we ? Always have in the past and best I know nothing has changed with regard to that. However, costs have risen dramatically across the board and revenues especially for highway maintenance has fallen (less gasoline demand yields less revenues be it more efficient vehicles or far less mileage per person these days). The far less mileage part of that equation is cause enough for an increase in revenue resources. We have needed serious reform in this area nationwide for a long time. Revamping that equation really takes some doing. We can change the way individual passenger (private) vehicles are taxed easy enough by looking at weight and mileage. What about commercial vehicles ? They bare the burden of all the taxpayers as all taxpayers benefit from our widespread delivery systems. Maybe all delivery services should collect road taxes on their deliveries; if they are not already doing so. Bottom line; we have to finance our infrastructure, both new and repairs. We currently are failing in this area and we need to change that and do it in a fair way for all involved (not just EV / Hybrid / efficient vehicle owners) ;)
zwsn01 All-Star Author Alabama Posts:691 Points:437,525 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:22:38 AM Ignore zwsn01 Report Abuse The government takes theirs off the top.
FogCitySpotter Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,473 Points:519,250 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:10:52 AM Ignore FogCitySpotter Report Abuse Really, really bad idea.
jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,952 Points:678,140 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:08:54 AM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse I understand both sides of this argument, but it seems quite harsh.
DRJ Champion Author Columbus Posts:6,092 Points:1,196,095 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:04:00 AM Ignore DRJ Report Abuse $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
cateyes8264 Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,957 Points:641,865 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:03:18 AM Ignore cateyes8264 Report Abuse nothing but communist act
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,170 Points:1,114,940 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:57:00 AM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse Ya gotta pay!
AnObserver Champion Author New Jersey Posts:8,344 Points:2,255,830 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:43:21 AM Ignore AnObserver Report Abuse This is a little early to try to grab revenue from alternative fuel vehicles - there aren't that many of them and some of the economic justification is undoubtedly the absence of fuel taxes.
ssect8 Champion Author Hartford Posts:7,979 Points:2,093,595 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:41:17 AM Ignore ssect8 Report Abuse Anything to get more revenue so the politicians can waste more money.
getalong All-Star Author California Posts:786 Points:147,240 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:40:43 AM Ignore getalong Report Abuse maybe we can get them to pass the burden onto the wealthy. LOL
Wierbe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,737 Points:1,116,190 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:38:42 AM Ignore Wierbe Report Abuse I see a lot of new government jobs being created here.
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,135 Points:1,295,195 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:35:21 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse You wanta use the roads? Then pay up
rjhaugh Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:9,046 Points:1,999,120 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:35:07 AM Ignore rjhaugh Report Abuse Maybe Oregon should forget paved roads and just go back to wagon trails. Gas or electric, if you drive on a paved road, someone has to pay the maintenance for it. This may start in Oregon but other states are already starting to draw the same conclusions -- higher MPG = lower gas taxes!
TonyPSU Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,521 Points:691,605 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:31:38 AM Ignore TonyPSU Report Abuse Small lightweight cars do less damage to roads and bridges. So don't create another hinderence to buying smaller fuel efficient vehicles.
capt455 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,421 Points:814,570 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:29:04 AM Ignore capt455 Report Abuse That makes no sense at all! Has Oregon gone right-wing all of a sudden? They need to tax those who insist on driving gas guzzlers, not the other way around. Let the SUV crowd pay the gas tax, plus a per mile tax.
Radar1992 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,310 Points:307,240 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:28:12 AM Ignore Radar1992 Report Abuse Unbelievable...so they want us to buy the hybrid/electric vehicles at a premium, even with a tax vouchers on some, then pay the electric utility tax if it plugs in (Have you seen this in your electric bill?) and then want to charge a per mile fee so they can use it to keep the current revenue level to maintain roads to keep it fair? This is the same stupidity as increasing cigarette taxes or installing traffic cameras and then whining because the revenue did not meet expectations because people are not smoking as much or running red lights. Which of course is the natural outcome of taxation, the use will become less. How about we use some fiscal restraint and cut the cost of government and then pass the savings on to the people....a Raring economy will increase revenues as people will work harder to make more money, but they have to be allowed to keep a higher percentage...otherwise why work harder when the gov't will take it away from you.
GPD1739P Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,505 Points:722,355 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:27:29 AM Ignore GPD1739P Report Abuse Yet another money grab.
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,743 Points:2,463,660 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:26:55 AM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse They could care less about efficient vehicles. It is ALL about revenue. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes.
Dr_Denny Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:3,603 Points:699,585 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:26:38 AM Ignore Dr_Denny Report Abuse They must be kidding.
icer06 Champion Author Huntsville Posts:2,418 Points:454,595 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:25:53 AM Ignore icer06 Report Abuse Why punish those who are eco-friendly?
LocalSpyGuy Champion Author Tampa Posts:7,785 Points:1,582,250 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:25:41 AM Ignore LocalSpyGuy Report Abuse Somewhat of a disincentive to purchase fuel efficient vehicles.
dabayer Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,731 Points:621,030 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:25:39 AM Ignore dabayer Report Abuse Annual state inspection, have odometer read, get car registration and pay for miles driven. Or flat annual tax added to car registration.
red5529 Champion Author Alabama Posts:4,254 Points:1,456,435 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:25:22 AM Ignore red5529 Report Abuse does it replace gas tax or is it in addition to.
slkmoo Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,238 Points:326,550 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:25:05 AM Ignore slkmoo Report Abuse isn;t that just sweet
HawaiianGuy Champion Author Idaho Posts:9,513 Points:3,076,775 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:24:52 AM Ignore HawaiianGuy Report Abuse Ah, Oregon. Land of the Liberals who think you can't pump your own gas.
SteelPenny Champion Author Dallas Posts:30,928 Points:2,604,790 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:24:32 AM Ignore SteelPenny Report Abuse Corruption and greed at its finest. [Edited by: SteelPenny at 1/4/2013 7:25:11 AM EST]
Chadgas All-Star Author Missouri Posts:963 Points:2,171,775 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:23:46 AM Ignore Chadgas Report Abuse Isn't that what our gas tax is?
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,929 Points:750,035 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:22:38 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Ironic is it not? "Oh no! Don't tax my greenie car!" Proving once again that the liberal does not see taxes as anything but punishment and to be used on the folks they don't see as paying their fair share.
BumpinButch Champion Author Texas Posts:1,591 Points:506,375 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:22:14 AM Ignore BumpinButch Report Abuse They will Stone You when you're driving in your Car, They will Stone You when you're driving in your EV!
bladecutter Champion Author Houston Posts:4,841 Points:981,150 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:21:37 AM Ignore bladecutter Report Abuse Doesn't say a whole lot for good MPG.
tes283 All-Star Author Tampa Posts:865 Points:368,850 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:20:50 AM Ignore tes283 Report Abuse What??? tax us for being good and responsible? wrong
Chitowner Champion Author Omaha Posts:4,253 Points:1,128,965 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:20:27 AM Ignore Chitowner Report Abuse PERFECT AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT TAX THE BICYCLIST TOO. ALL DAY LONG BABY ALL DAY LONG
nugney Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,921 Points:2,029,615 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:20:24 AM Ignore nugney Report Abuse all vehicles need tires. change the gas tax to a tire tax
panj Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:13,109 Points:1,107,900 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:18:46 AM Ignore panj Report Abuse Ah, that's called a gas tax! WTheck
Goat2008 Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,135 Points:824,745 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:18:41 AM Ignore Goat2008 Report Abuse Do you not want to be energy independent. I do not see how this will encourage people to purchase efficient vehicles if they are going to pay a penalty.
91Hilux Champion Author New Haven Posts:2,152 Points:678,770 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:16:39 AM Ignore 91Hilux Report Abuse Did somebody from CT move to Oregon and get themselves elected???? This is totally asinine!! Next you're going to start charging bicycle mileage taxes because they don't buy gas either??
ovillaone All-Star Author Dallas Posts:770 Points:175,505 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:16:13 AM Ignore ovillaone Report Abuse If this be the case, then tax bicycle riders who choose to ride on the payment as well. Also require them to carry libality insrance...if not, then stay off the payment. Afterall tax dollars collected from automobile owners paid for these nice paved roads anyway.
sleuth696 All-Star Author Ventura Posts:928 Points:199,990 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:15:38 AM Ignore sleuth696 Report Abuse Oregon has to raise taxes...they need more money to misspend.
biza4u Champion Author New Haven Posts:8,508 Points:1,624,975 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:14:35 AM Ignore biza4u Report Abuse keep it
WestMichigan Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,463 Points:552,815 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:14:33 AM Ignore WestMichigan Report Abuse It is going to happen.
PurduePete86 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,148 Points:1,151,995 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:14:24 AM Ignore PurduePete86 Report Abuse ok