Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    9:08 AM

GasBuddy News Article

43
votes
Plasma Gasification Raises Hopes of Clean Energy From Garbage

New York Times -- David Robau tours the country promoting a system that sounds too good to be true: It devours municipal garbage, recycles metals, blasts toxic contaminants and produces electricity and usable byproducts — all with drastic reductions in emissions.

Mr. Robau, an environmental scientist for the Air Force, has been promoting a method that was developed with the Air Force to dispose of garbage with neither the harmful byproducts of conventional incineration nor the environmental impact of transporting and burying waste. It is one of several innovative techniques that the United States military has been researching to provide alternatives to the open-pit burns that some veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars say have made them ill.

Already some waste companies and cities like New York


Read the Full Article

Submitted Sep 12, 2012 By: Martinman
Category: Daily News Article Discussions > Topics Add to favorite topics  
Author Topic: Plasma Gasification Raises Hopes of Clean Energy From Garbage Back to Topics
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
honda0105
Champion Author Tallahassee

Posts:22,638
Points:2,164,690
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Sep 14, 2012 11:21:42 PM

we need more outside the box thinkers.
Profile Pic
eppylover
Sophomore Author Grand Rapids

Posts:245
Points:54,535
Joined:Nov 2009
Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 5:43:43 PM

If Big Oil can't cash in on it in a big way, look for it never to happen.
Profile Pic
MadTraveler
Champion Author Idaho

Posts:2,082
Points:575,400
Joined:Nov 2009
Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 4:37:51 PM

Old - and still question economics of it.
Profile Pic
sparky808
Champion Author Honolulu

Posts:5,234
Points:1,130,075
Joined:Sep 2011
Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 1:35:45 PM

Thank you for posting.
Profile Pic
SparkieMi
Champion Author Kalamazoo

Posts:5,559
Points:1,124,020
Joined:Sep 2011
Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 1:37:16 AM

Interesting....
Profile Pic
Martinman
Champion Author Mississippi

Posts:17,151
Points:2,639,265
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Sep 13, 2012 12:13:06 AM

Several forum members have posted earlier that local demonstration projects have validated this recovery process.

The issue will be whether it is scalable to the large-scale commercial level *and* both still effective and profitable.
Profile Pic
crreed1
Champion Author West Virginia

Posts:4,249
Points:3,027,285
Joined:May 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:20:07 PM

sounds like BS
Profile Pic
rahcat
Champion Author Grand Rapids

Posts:5,135
Points:1,215,775
Joined:Jan 2010
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:18:43 PM

Sounds good, but NO GONERNMENT SUBSIDIES.
Profile Pic
gbsbok
Rookie Author Portland

Posts:11
Points:310,675
Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:14:26 PM

when it sounds too good to be true, ....
Profile Pic
bcok
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:3,199
Points:1,924,540
Joined:Oct 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:13:18 PM

love those by products.
Profile Pic
DblChek
Champion Author San Antonio

Posts:3,384
Points:864,780
Joined:Jul 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:12:58 PM

Cost effective?
Profile Pic
goldrose1
Champion Author Cleveland

Posts:13,370
Points:2,453,720
Joined:Feb 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:12:55 PM

"blast toxic contaminants" ?
Profile Pic
Number43
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:11,232
Points:2,192,940
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:10:25 PM

Most toxic waste can be destroyed by high heat, pressure and added oxygen.
Profile Pic
Number43
Champion Author Lexington

Posts:11,232
Points:2,192,940
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:08:04 PM

Big tax dollars to make this work.
Profile Pic
jem069
Champion Author Detroit

Posts:4,525
Points:1,149,035
Joined:Jan 2011
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:07:37 PM

Ok
Profile Pic
joel27nc
Champion Author Raleigh

Posts:12,980
Points:2,409,745
Joined:Mar 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 11:01:47 PM

Make gas out of garbage, great.....smaller landfills too.
Profile Pic
vibdata
Champion Author Massachusetts

Posts:5,080
Points:1,056,230
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:56:50 PM

The name of the process sounds extremely dangerous. Never mind the actual use of it. Please use common sense when burning garbage. Toxic waste is never easy to dispose of.
Profile Pic
DrivingFool2
Champion Author Appleton

Posts:11,078
Points:2,149,385
Joined:Apr 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:56:41 PM

Good
Profile Pic
OGW
Champion Author London

Posts:6,875
Points:2,009,105
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:53:21 PM

Hope they know what they are doing, remember sometimes the Air Force has their heads in the clouds!
Profile Pic
WinderGuy
Champion Author Georgia

Posts:4,681
Points:1,428,840
Joined:Mar 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:50:13 PM

Ok
Profile Pic
achas
All-Star Author Charlotte

Posts:500
Points:74,395
Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:49:24 PM

GETTING RID O GARBAGE AND CONTAMINANTS CLEANLY - PRICELESS
Profile Pic
HumbleHarv
Sophomore Author Los Angeles

Posts:129
Points:1,497,230
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:48:55 PM

As mentioned, one of the by-products is hydrogen which can then be used for a hydrogen fuel cell to produce electricity which can then power my car!
Profile Pic
carpenter4u
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:3,479
Points:1,096,515
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:47:46 PM

Would be all for it if it can be competetive and practical
Profile Pic
DaisysMomNC
All-Star Author North Carolina

Posts:959
Points:200,850
Joined:Jan 2012
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:47:08 PM

Just like so many of the "green" ideas, the cost is probably to much to make it worth it.
Profile Pic
Ahking
Champion Author Orange County

Posts:3,618
Points:625,235
Joined:May 2011
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:46:10 PM

sounds great

[Edited by: Ahking at 9/12/2012 11:47:06 PM EST]
Profile Pic
mstearno
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:9,501
Points:2,193,420
Joined:Jan 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:44:43 PM

the cost may be more than we can afford
Profile Pic
saleboss
Champion Author Phoenix

Posts:4,096
Points:1,204,065
Joined:Feb 2006
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:38:28 PM

Get it into production soon!
Profile Pic
defiancegasman
Champion Author Ohio

Posts:7,188
Points:1,355,355
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:38:18 PM

But whats the end COST going to be. It will NOT be used if it cost more, no matter what benifits we get from it!
Profile Pic
goodbuy
Champion Author Michigan

Posts:9,957
Points:1,944,390
Joined:May 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:35:36 PM

Just do it.
Profile Pic
mrbee
Champion Author Little Rock

Posts:6,199
Points:3,017,555
Joined:Oct 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:35:29 PM

Sounds good.
Profile Pic
singlemom27
Champion Author Ventura

Posts:5,512
Points:1,187,900
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:32:11 PM

I hope they can make it happen economically.
Profile Pic
bonzoonfmb
Champion Author Florida

Posts:2,540
Points:888,110
Joined:Feb 2010
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:30:08 PM

Sounds like a complex process - have this guy work on rebuilding the U.S. refineries.
Profile Pic
RecountFL
Champion Author Miami

Posts:10,000
Points:1,787,585
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:29:38 PM

Just toss some garbage into Mr. Fusion and you've got 1.21 jiggawatts of power for your Delorean. All of them come standard with the time traveling feature, but you have to do some work to it before it will actually reach 88 mph.
Profile Pic
KY_Homeboy
All-Star Author Kentucky

Posts:966
Points:650,895
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:29:13 PM

Let's get a few going & monitor the results. Get rid of trash, destroy dangerous contaminants, and produce electricity - all at the same time!
Profile Pic
SpankyMI
Champion Author Kalamazoo

Posts:4,701
Points:1,263,315
Joined:Jan 2011
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:27:53 PM

The sweet smell of victory.
Profile Pic
SparkieMi
Champion Author Kalamazoo

Posts:5,559
Points:1,124,020
Joined:Sep 2011
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:26:43 PM

Interesting.....
Profile Pic
Barfood
Champion Author St. Louis

Posts:3,831
Points:1,459,690
Joined:Jun 2009
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:26:15 PM

Sounds exciting.
Profile Pic
Bleeder
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:8,078
Points:2,088,775
Joined:Jan 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:25:36 PM

Isn't technology amazing.
Profile Pic
tco9436
Champion Author Connecticut

Posts:2,553
Points:1,190,685
Joined:Mar 2010
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:25:18 PM

Enough already!
Profile Pic
furiousfowl
Champion Author Riverside

Posts:18,925
Points:3,253,945
Joined:May 2005
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:18:47 PM

Nature at work.
Profile Pic
markiesm
Rookie Author Fort Worth

Posts:82
Points:732,505
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:18:35 PM

Yeah, the US will be the only to enforce this. Try to get China on board. Too costly for them. They prefer to pollute
Profile Pic
PDQBlues
Champion Author San Diego

Posts:9,493
Points:1,999,000
Joined:Jan 2009
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:18:26 PM

Clean energy from garbage? It's about time we make Congress useful for something.
Profile Pic
suzmar
Champion Author Texas

Posts:3,497
Points:1,344,815
Joined:Jun 2006
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:16:17 PM

Fine, just as long as taxpayer money is not funding another green boondoggle.
Profile Pic
DustyHorse
Champion Author Virginia

Posts:8,436
Points:1,909,905
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:15:53 PM

Keep working on the technology.
Profile Pic
bra0712
Champion Author Arizona

Posts:5,437
Points:1,289,720
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:11:25 PM

K
Profile Pic
wayoung56
Champion Author Alabama

Posts:5,105
Points:1,354,360
Joined:Oct 2006
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:11:02 PM

Interesting article...
Profile Pic
Cableman66
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:4,738
Points:1,040,675
Joined:May 2011
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:10:51 PM

OK.
Profile Pic
Star Cruise
Champion Author Toronto

Posts:1,312
Points:462,505
Joined:Sep 2004
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:09:44 PM

Interesting - Might even let us start putting Corn on the table again
Profile Pic
Alaydown
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:6,849
Points:1,136,615
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:09:36 PM

It is an interesting article, but there are still many unanswered questions. We don't know the unintended consequences of this process yet like what other toxins are produced. At most right now, this technology will only be useful in reducing the landfill problem. We don't have data here on the net energy produced as it obviously takes considerable energy to process the garbage. The only thing it mentions is that it makes enough electricity to power the system rather than stating how much extra is produced. Also not mentioned is the cost.

I also have to agree with Mr. Hershkowitz in the article that they are "not even at the point where they should be thinking about waste-to-energy" because there is much more recycling to be done before this process is used.
Profile Pic
letterchunker
Champion Author Texas

Posts:4,620
Points:1,194,400
Joined:Aug 2008
Message Posted: Sep 12, 2012 10:09:32 PM

Go for it
Post a reply Back to Topics