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Red-light camera fight filled with frustrating speed bumps

sun-sentinel -- What's it like trying to fight a red-light camera ticket? Frustrating.

"A laborious, tedious process," Danny Murphy said as he left the Delray Beach courthouse last month. "This whole thing just gives me a sour feeling. But that's why I'm fighting it. Even if I lose, I'll feel better fighting it."

Murphy got a ticket in the mail in July for a slow-rolling right turn at a Boca Raton intersection June 24. Because he wanted to challenge it, he had to wait 30 days and let the $158 violation turn into a $264 state Uniform Traffic Citation (UTC).

Murphy, of Highland Beach, thought his Oct. 29 court date would give him resolution. Instead it was just another speed bump on the slow road to red-light justice.

He has to go back again – on Jan. 9 – for a hearing where he'll learn his fate.

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Submitted Nov 15, 2012 By: skb69sa

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,828 Points:1,637,220 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 18, 2012 6:41:08 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse waste of taxpayers money to make people come to court not once, but twice.
the1roadhog Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,949 Points:2,081,505 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 6:50:00 AM Ignore the1roadhog Report Abuse Got me a radar detector that alerts on these rascals and it works well.
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:7,078 Points:2,143,965 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:46:30 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse I didn't know red light cams would ticket thoss kinds of "infractions"...
gs7101 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:5,658 Points:396,020 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Nov 16, 2012 5:46:12 AM Ignore gs7101 Report Abuse Good luck with trying to fight a ticket!
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,955 Points:669,990 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 11:44:23 PM Ignore bston Report Abuse Going to take a lot to work the bugs out.
leraar2 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,904 Points:815,380 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 4:40:33 PM Ignore leraar2 Report Abuse you only have to come to a dead stop for a MICROSECOND.
Jarol Champion Author Iowa Posts:8,566 Points:1,620,840 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 2:02:17 PM Ignore Jarol Report Abuse Our government at work ... we have the best government money can buy.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,695 Points:775,745 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 10:27:13 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse he still has faith in the government?
Norm10 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,396 Points:165,955 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 10:12:15 AM Ignore Norm10 Report Abuse Red light cameras are a big cash grab that only increase the number of rear end accidents.
eschroth442 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,196 Points:358,490 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 8:27:18 AM Ignore eschroth442 Report Abuse red light cameras are nothing but a money grab!!!! they should be outlawed!!!!
oilfreak All-Star Author Houston Posts:707 Points:38,185 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:40:59 AM Ignore oilfreak Report Abuse They only want to make money off of it.
smokinjoe54 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,832 Points:933,290 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:32:01 AM Ignore smokinjoe54 Report Abuse Good for the courts but bad for drivers. Just watch how you drive and you won't have to worry about getting one in the mail.
SUNOIL Champion Author Toledo Posts:5,385 Points:1,952,955 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:28:32 AM Ignore SUNOIL Report Abuse All about money without your day in court
Hop1LA Champion Author Baton Rouge Posts:3,449 Points:1,203,220 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:12:25 AM Ignore Hop1LA Report Abuse This whole process has dreamed by a company in Phoenix, AZ called Red Flex. They sold the concept to cash strapped cities as a low cost revenue stream, just sign a five year contract with the company and collect your share of the fines.
EvergreenON Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,078 Points:511,085 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:04:48 AM Ignore EvergreenON Report Abuse These gadgets are only a way to collect taxes
SUVFan Champion Author Columbus Posts:14,177 Points:1,661,255 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 7:02:54 AM Ignore SUVFan Report Abuse Before anyone shouts, "Just follow the law", understand that Florida's law is diferent. From the actual article: "According to the red-light camera law, drivers are allowed to make right turns "in a careful and prudent manner," but that phrase isn't clearly defined for police and traffic magistrates." In this case the driver rolled through the right turn with his brake lights on (proved by the photo) while the left turn arrows were lit and there would be no cross traffic. That sounds careful and prudent to me. If a cop had been present and observed it, I would hope they would have exercised a modicum of discretion and let that go.
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,210 Points:1,769,535 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:45:38 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse driving is a game.... if you are on the mark.... you survive, and you are free to move on if ya ain't.. the money goes to them
sljbc475 Champion Author Tucson Posts:4,360 Points:900,075 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:44:29 AM Ignore sljbc475 Report Abuse Too much government control.
exd121 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:1,908 Points:481,550 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:42:13 AM Ignore exd121 Report Abuse ok
cssco Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,464 Points:1,779,040 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:33:07 AM Ignore cssco Report Abuse If you chose to break the law prudent selection of the location is a must. Jesse James has not seen fit to return to Northfield, recently.
tbgasmizer Champion Author Ontario Posts:6,053 Points:1,230,620 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:32:58 AM Ignore tbgasmizer Report Abuse What bull crap.
glvdj Sophomore Author South Bend Posts:143 Points:552,985 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:31:27 AM Ignore glvdj Report Abuse Tyranny
bladecutter Champion Author Houston Posts:4,997 Points:1,011,775 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:27:52 AM Ignore bladecutter Report Abuse Its cheaper to pay the bill than fight it.
fatboy97 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,619 Points:1,734,900 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:26:10 AM Ignore fatboy97 Report Abuse Is it really worth it... most people would say no.
mark1962 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,876 Points:1,293,190 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:24:07 AM Ignore mark1962 Report Abuse They deserve the tickets!
biza4u Champion Author New Haven Posts:8,664 Points:1,655,600 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:23:39 AM Ignore biza4u Report Abuse It's abuse of power by the government who just want to keep their hands in your pockets to give it away
SpruceGuse2 Champion Author Michigan Posts:9,869 Points:2,481,410 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:23:20 AM Ignore SpruceGuse2 Report Abuse Fight it for peace of mind.................
turbosaab Champion Author Cleveland Posts:19,009 Points:2,339,870 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:20:58 AM Ignore turbosaab Report Abuse It's all about the money.
snky2k Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,523 Points:330,590 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:20:09 AM Ignore snky2k Report Abuse It's complete B.S. they can charge you more money for fighting in court. That should be illegal!!!!
GPD1739P Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,610 Points:750,080 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:19:36 AM Ignore GPD1739P Report Abuse The theory of red-light cameras seems sound, but the implementation certainly leaves a LOT to be desired. Since the majority of red-light cameras are installed and maintained by private companies contracted to municipalities, a profit has to be guaranteed - why else would a private company install something? Not to operate at a loss, that's for sure. Take the profit out of it and see how unpopular it becomes - even more unpopular than it is now with the driving populace.
jethro5000 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,018 Points:418,935 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:19:36 AM Ignore jethro5000 Report Abuse ha ha ha
WaWanderer Champion Author Washington Posts:4,511 Points:613,650 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:18:46 AM Ignore WaWanderer Report Abuse Rough justice.
NO_SWEAT Champion Author Toronto Posts:4,474 Points:1,105,540 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:18:35 AM Ignore NO_SWEAT Report Abuse Post a COP out there.
tdc007 Champion Author Lexington Posts:1,253 Points:410,555 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:17:50 AM Ignore tdc007 Report Abuse The message: Do not challenge the govt.
rosyLI Champion Author Long Island Posts:5,775 Points:1,094,055 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:16:19 AM Ignore rosyLI Report Abuse One of many governmental money scams. Governments are bigger crooks than the Mafia.
matman01 Champion Author Detroit Posts:14,987 Points:1,988,535 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:16:07 AM Ignore matman01 Report Abuse A stop is a stop...a slow roll is NOT a stop whether the brake lights were on or not. He si going to lose that one!
rbrowdersr Champion Author Detroit Posts:5,841 Points:1,843,435 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:15:44 AM Ignore rbrowdersr Report Abuse Money maker.
KentuckyWildcat Champion Author Maryland Posts:9,302 Points:2,213,305 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:15:29 AM Ignore KentuckyWildcat Report Abuse The whole system is a farce! These cameras have NOTHING to do with safety and everything to do with revenue!
GearGuy All-Star Author Detroit Posts:729 Points:1,776,085 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:15:22 AM Ignore GearGuy Report Abuse Maybe he should have followed they law and actually stopped.
CarpenterNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,372 Points:538,515 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:14:51 AM Ignore CarpenterNJ Report Abuse Just another money machine.
cwashi3324 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,863 Points:587,720 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:14:31 AM Ignore cwashi3324 Report Abuse What a bunch of bull hockey!
virostek Veteran Author Virginia Posts:423 Points:90,285 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:13:06 AM Ignore virostek Report Abuse Those cameras are a type of commuter tax. They are there to raise revenue. In DC a single camera has issued millons of dollars for tickets.
Tru2psu2 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:14,634 Points:1,580,405 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:12:16 AM Ignore Tru2psu2 Report Abuse ok
JoJoQc Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,336 Points:1,040,155 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:11:55 AM Ignore JoJoQc Report Abuse Yep, agree with TxMtb!!!
skanytank Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,386 Points:586,825 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:11:46 AM Ignore skanytank Report Abuse Who knows for sure....just saying...
HA4CNN Champion Author Toronto Posts:5,765 Points:1,571,190 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:11:31 AM Ignore HA4CNN Report Abuse Just a revenue generator.
evac93rd Champion Author Atlanta Posts:36,380 Points:3,694,605 Joined:Feb 2003	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:11:01 AM Ignore evac93rd Report Abuse " slow-rolling right turn" he didn't stop at the red light so why is he fighting a ticket for NOT stopping at a red light. What an I missing here??
nugney Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,046 Points:2,054,390 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:08:55 AM Ignore nugney Report Abuse Cameras are revenue devices, not safety. They should be banned.
UtopianZealot Rookie Author Ottawa Posts:31 Points:136,930 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:08:03 AM Ignore UtopianZealot Report Abuse I'd rather have the red light cameras than have to watch our government paying for salaries for police officers to sit on their asses in a cruiser waiting for someone to roll through. The cameras are cheaper to operate and provide a more persistent deterrent to violations. As I recall from one case study in TN, these systems even yield more revenues than from sending out officers to do the same thing. I'm in favour of having a larger portion of the cost of government and policing be funded by the people taking the risks rather than the rest of the taxpaying public.
BazooQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:9,846 Points:1,663,175 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 15, 2012 6:07:43 AM Ignore BazooQC Report Abuse I hate it when the system becomes too automated. No room for valid exceptions to the rules.