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Saudi America: the dangerous fallacy of US energy independence

The Verge -- The year is 2020. The United States is on the cusp of a golden age, there's peace in the Middle East, and the Texas oil tycoon is suddenly back in the saddle.

For many, this was the takeaway from the International Energy Agency's World Energy Outlook, released last month. In its annual report, the Paris-based IEA predicted that the US will lead the world in both oil and natural gas production by the end of the decade, overtaking Saudi Arabia and Russia, respectively. By 2035, the report says, the US should be "all but self-sufficient" in meeting its energy needs.

The news sent shockwaves across some corners of the media, prompting the Wall Street Journal to run an enthusiastic editorial titled "Saudi America." Using the IEA's projections as a springboard, the paper boldly declared that t


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 6:57:17 AM

tomok: you can't drive crude, so more refineries ARE needed, just that the distillates should remain domestically.
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tomok
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Message Posted: Dec 8, 2012 2:14:54 AM

Saudi America: the dangerous fallacy of US energy independence. Saudi America?
US energy independence will be short lived, there are not enough oil deposits in the US to keep up massive oil produciton for very long.
Anyway, Big Oil and Big Gas exports fuel and natural gas to other countries that will pay more for it, much more than here. There will be NO price reduction or cheaper prices for fuel or natural gas IN the US, so it does NOT matter how much crude oil or natural gas is produced.
The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! Speculators, manipulators and the banks continue to unfairly and unjustly make the driving public pay higher prices at the pump for their personal greedy benefit.
The price at the pump needs to go down to $2/gallon, *$3, *$3.50/gallon or *$4.00 is Not the new low!
More refineries is Not the answer, keep the exported fuel and natural gas here.
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
XII/XXII/MMXII!
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bston
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:39:39 PM

No thank you.
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crreed1
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:21:54 PM

old news
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TheSnowstorm
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:19:41 PM

An interesting article, but there are simply too many variables that can easily derail any of the predictions along the time-line(s) presented.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:11:27 PM

Read this yesterday too.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:10:06 PM

I would like to see that!!!
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:07:34 PM

About time
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Matt G
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:07:07 PM

Good forus
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:06:57 PM

I do not believe we are that close.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:06:53 PM

Never happen with the anti-American in the White House
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:06:42 PM

Excessive use of rose colored glasses with Obama at the helm.
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judgemobile
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:06:34 PM

what is dangerous about something good for the country ?
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:06:20 PM

Right.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:05:17 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:05:04 PM

don't lose sight on building the alternate energy infrastructure in America.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:03:11 PM

Interesting.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 11:00:03 PM

Produce.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:59:58 PM

government regs will never let us be independent.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:59:30 PM

Maybe when we get another president.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:56:00 PM

Disagree with TKDBlackBelt and pray wise heads will prevail in fiscal cliff and energy policy matters. AMEN.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:54:11 PM

Quite a nice fictional story.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:54:00 PM

wow
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:52:11 PM

moron wrote this one
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:50:34 PM

I live with a cheaper cost.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:50:26 PM

Saudi America? Is this America's new name? This story stays far away from China. Maybe we will be The United Chinese Muslim America.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:49:33 PM

peace and cheap fuel...i can live with that
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:49:27 PM

dont trust those guys they hate the usa
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:49:14 PM

lies, we have the resources and know how, big oil wants the money
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:46:33 PM

and republican pigs can sprout wings and fly
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:45:52 PM

I agree with TKDBlackbelt
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:42:54 PM

Never happen with the anti-American in the White House destroying our energy production!
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:39:05 PM

fiction
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:38:53 PM

Interesting.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:38:42 PM

Predictions are inherently unstable especially the further out one projects.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:37:20 PM

This article is nothing but leftist propaganda. What ever happened to this country's "Can Do" attitude? Now we get nothing but articles about how crummy America is.
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LolliPop, LolliPop.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:27:08 PM

dont see this happening
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:26:36 PM

Cant come soon enough
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Need to get rid of (or severely curtail) the tree-huggers at the EPA.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:14:39 PM

I don't see this happening due our environmental regulations
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:08:36 PM

We will use what we find...
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 10:00:50 PM

Nothing wrong with that news, as long as the price stays low
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:56:28 PM

Keep on drilling.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:55:36 PM

Oil is still traded on the world market. The one with the money gets the oil.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:55:16 PM

And just last year, the harbinger of doom was "peak oil."
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:54:31 PM

TIME WILL TELL!
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:52:38 PM

drill baby drill
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:44:41 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:43:53 PM

We will use it faster, until it runs out.
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Message Posted: Dec 7, 2012 9:43:34 PM

The world probably won't be around by 2035 so we'd better get some action way before then!
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