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State grants promoting use of natural gas in vehicles

Tribune Democrat -- As of Dec. 1, the state will begin accepting applications for grants geared at increasing the demand for vehicles that replace gasoline with natural gas.

The state Department of Environmental Protection announced Thursday it will make $20 million available over the next three years to help in the initial purchase and conversion costs of heavy-duty natural gas vehicles.

The grant money will come from funds coming to the state from oil companies drilling wells in Pennsylvania’s Marcellus Shale and other forms of natural gas.

In the first year, $10 million in grants will be available to public transportation services and other local transportation organizations, including non-profits, DEP Secretary Michael Krancer said in a statement.

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,580 Points:1,605,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 4, 2012 4:49:29 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse put out more CNG stations and people will buy the cars more.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,580 Points:1,605,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 4:53:06 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse scuba: just like the government gives taxpayers' money to subsidize Pig Oil's wealth.
scubadaniel Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,397 Points:688,015 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 10:37:01 PM Ignore scubadaniel Report Abuse Remember that is our money they are granting to these companies.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,915 Points:2,341,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 3:32:10 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse State grants promoting use of natural gas in vehicles and spend more taxpayer money? As more and more vehicles, trucks or buses are built to use natural gas OR converted over to natural gas, more natural gas will be used and the price will go up, just like the morning sun. Don't expect natural gas to stay low for very long, the trend for all fuel prices is always up and up more! It does Not matter if you have to heat your house with it either, higher natural gas prices. An article on here said that less natural gas is being produced because there is NO profit to keep drilling and producing natural gas. Big Oil and Big Gas exports fuel and natural gas to other countries that will pay more for it, much more than here. There will be NO price reduction or cheaper prices for fuel or natural gas IN the US, so it does NOT matter how much crude oil or natural gas is produced. More refineries is Not the answer, keep the exported fuel and natural gas here. If you are traveling, know where your natural gas refill stations are and plan according. There are many online sites that have CNG refill stations located across the US for people that have to refill their CNG vehicles. Plan your trip with those stations on the route. With more natural gas trucks, truck stops will have or install CNG refueling pumps to take care of them. So cars and pickups can refuel at those same natural gas pumps too. If CNG vehicles are 'bombs,' then why aren't gasoline vehicles bombs also with their 10 to 20 gallons of highly flammable liquid fuel in the fuel tanks. They have crashed, caught on fire and exploded too! DUH! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII!
naspa Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,250 Points:347,400 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:11:04 PM Ignore naspa Report Abuse Great. Grant. Gone.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,876 Points:2,127,605 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:09:46 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Not here!
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,219 Points:1,680,225 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:00:37 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse oh no
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,947 Points:1,272,000 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:59:01 PM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse There goes my heating bill.
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,757 Points:640,400 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:58:44 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse Put NG in Penn state and fleet cars and use state tax money.
oldiesman Champion Author New York Posts:6,407 Points:2,189,960 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:58:21 PM Ignore oldiesman Report Abuse T Boone and the Bushes love it.
comprof Champion Author Houston Posts:6,839 Points:1,352,750 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:55:58 PM Ignore comprof Report Abuse drz614: I agree. Just another way to line the pockets of those who agree with them.
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,779 Points:1,838,475 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:55:17 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse Governments should not subsidize any industry.
drz614 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:2,279 Points:594,370 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:52:52 PM Ignore drz614 Report Abuse if there is so much xcess ng gas available and it's a good business decision, why do companies need grant money. by 2014, all excess ng in this country will become lng and exported anyway.
wz Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,464 Points:1,272,390 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:50:10 PM Ignore wz Report Abuse The low fuel cost will entice high consumption users to make the switch. No need to waste taxpayer money on political favors.
LQQKGAS Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,650 Points:1,192,055 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:50:00 PM Ignore LQQKGAS Report Abuse Arizona tried this and then suddenly pulled the rug out from under it.
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,454 Points:1,707,685 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:47:37 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse only a matter of time
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,543 Points:1,767,935 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:46:30 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Good to get CNG going but don't start the subsidy game. Governments are bankrupt. Quit spending money that does not exist. Deficit spending is like credit card spending. Fine until the bills come in and don't stop -- ever!
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,208 Points:869,060 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:43:36 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse CNG makes sense.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,043 Points:1,727,235 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:42:27 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse great just like cash for clunkers tax payers (makers) get to give more than their fair share
Mopar4me Champion Author Peoria Posts:1,412 Points:747,555 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:38:09 PM Ignore Mopar4me Report Abuse Artificially produced demand.
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:36:43 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse I think ths is a mistake. It will end up driving electricity and home heating prices will skyrocket (especially in the western states).
esorsd Champion Author St. Louis Posts:5,718 Points:1,634,740 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:36:05 PM Ignore esorsd Report Abuse Good for more CNG usage.
Ticoman54 Champion Author Miami Posts:7,023 Points:1,487,960 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:35:45 PM Ignore Ticoman54 Report Abuse A good place to start.
1COR1533 Champion Author San Jose Posts:1,671 Points:311,285 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:34:52 PM Ignore 1COR1533 Report Abuse cng way to go
geoutpb Champion Author Midland Odessa Posts:4,608 Points:1,063,285 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:33:36 PM Ignore geoutpb Report Abuse Good use up all that excess gas drive the price up.
hcivic Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,834 Points:2,261,715 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:33:07 PM Ignore hcivic Report Abuse sounds like a great idea
GNo1 All-Star Author Nashville Posts:905 Points:378,530 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:32:39 PM Ignore GNo1 Report Abuse ok
REKEY Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,554 Points:1,694,440 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:29:36 PM Ignore REKEY Report Abuse That;s my heating fuel.
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,294 Points:1,460,075 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:25:32 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse Great idea
WIWalt Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,707 Points:411,565 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:22:57 PM Ignore WIWalt Report Abuse Good place to start
The_DR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,760 Points:580,090 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:22:53 PM Ignore The_DR Report Abuse Good idea.
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,724 Points:1,904,360 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:22:07 PM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse Need the conversions manufactured to use in our vehicles and a push to put Natural Gas propulsion in new vehicles NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JimL1 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:8,201 Points:1,238,645 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:21:32 PM Ignore JimL1 Report Abuse To paraphrase UC2 who makes an excellent point, they need to do research to avoid future disasters.
toadNY Champion Author Albany Posts:7,022 Points:1,509,250 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:21:32 PM Ignore toadNY Report Abuse Eat bean's an we will have more Natural gas than washington has Hot Air! No that would never happen.
wulf2000 Champion Author Miami Posts:3,017 Points:1,385,080 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:21:23 PM Ignore wulf2000 Report Abuse Will these grants be based on merit or political connections? I am cynical.
Dragnet Champion Author Arizona Posts:15,390 Points:2,905,735 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:20:57 PM Ignore Dragnet Report Abuse It's all "hot air."
fuelsaverMN Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,282 Points:559,080 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:19:11 PM Ignore fuelsaverMN Report Abuse Why not natural gas in smaller vehicles that we drive.
Bubba44612 Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,371 Points:1,872,105 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:18:01 PM Ignore Bubba44612 Report Abuse Gotta help get rid of all that gas.
tco9436 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,767 Points:718,950 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:17:32 PM Ignore tco9436 Report Abuse OK
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,902 Points:1,570,980 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:15:18 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse we need to use more cng
UC2 Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,305 Points:318,255 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:13:55 PM Ignore UC2 Report Abuse but they have to do the needed research to avoid future disasters
Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,492 Points:600,445 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:11:42 PM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse It's worth promoting.
knot2swift Champion Author Calgary Posts:4,372 Points:695,085 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:11:31 PM Ignore knot2swift Report Abuse Well $10 million is squat so who cares? Like Natural Gas, Propane has done well in our region, it was at 79.9 a litre last year ago and has been at 79.9 since. Why? ... Propane is a component of Natural Gas and while Nat. Gas prices have been falling ,Auto Propane dealers are making a killing, They are quite happy giving it to us at the same price these days. For idiots born yesterday that don't have a clue...Auto Propane was born in Canada as well as other places in the 1970's when OPEC gave us the finger. I suppose now the US could give the finger back but Americans are simply to stupid these days to act. [Edited by: knot2swift at 11/30/2012 11:17:48 PM EST]
CCLighthouse All-Star Author Hartford Posts:983 Points:209,030 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:10:47 PM Ignore CCLighthouse Report Abuse ExplorerWA the grant money is coming from the oil companies. And it is helping to create a demand for their products. If their are no natural gas vehicles then their is no need for more natural gas.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,800 Points:1,426,750 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:09:51 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse There seems to be some momentum towards expanding use of CNG in fleets.
Mudsprings Champion Author Fresno Posts:52,851 Points:3,070,300 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:07:30 PM Ignore Mudsprings Report Abuse There is a lot of natural gas in my car.
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,209 Points:606,985 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:07:26 PM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse where does all this money come from???? poor tax payers
Darwin00 All-Star Author Mississippi Posts:827 Points:266,345 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:07:18 PM Ignore Darwin00 Report Abuse Cool!
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,780 Points:814,335 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:07:06 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Hmmm...
papa56NC All-Star Author North Carolina Posts:725 Points:142,760 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 10:05:22 PM Ignore papa56NC Report Abuse That would save all around.