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Supporters of higher-ethanol fuels frustrated

Press Connects -- JOHNSTON, IOWA — When President Barack Obama moved into the White House in 2009, E15 -- a higher blend of ethanol and gasoline than commonly available -- was thought to be a sure thing.

But the Environmental Protection Agency took a year to approve the higher blend, then another year to write the rules that will govern sales. Now, three years later, the only drivers who can put more than 10 percent ethanol in their tanks are about 10 million owners whose models can use up to 85 percent ethanol.

Legal and bureaucratic delays mean E15 is still out of reach for consumers, and a potential 7 billion gallon expansion of motor fuel market share remains elusive for ethanol producers.

“The oil companies just don’t want to give up another 5 percent of the market to biofuels,” said President Jeff

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Submitted Jul 22, 2012 By: angel4me

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 4:51:24 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse in times of pending food shortage / rising food costs, EtOH should be pulled out of gasoline.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,003 Points:598,710 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 12:19:51 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse End the mandate.
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,579 Points:481,045 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 11:27:11 AM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse Consumers should be given more choice.
SycamoreISU Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,040 Points:259,685 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 10:57:03 AM Ignore SycamoreISU Report Abuse Perhaps the powers that be refuse to understand that most consumers don't want more ethanol in their fuel. Food should fuel living beings, not motors!
jeffbone Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,364 Points:400,895 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 9:39:25 AM Ignore jeffbone Report Abuse "Legal and bureaucratic delays mean E15 is still out of reach for consumers, and a potential 7 billion gallon expansion of motor fuel market share remains elusive for ethanol producers." Sounds like a feature, not a bug.
pbug101 Champion Author Georgia Posts:2,459 Points:579,900 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 4:39:01 AM Ignore pbug101 Report Abuse ok
runinoutagas Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:10,509 Points:1,620,185 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 1:18:36 AM Ignore runinoutagas Report Abuse The really frustrated ones are those that would like to continue being able to afford to eat.
Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,507 Points:603,450 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 11:05:43 PM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse there is not enough food especially cheap food.
DCbeachbum Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,647 Points:904,815 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:51:51 PM Ignore DCbeachbum Report Abuse Go back to real gasoline. I just found out that real gasoline is in my area for $4.10. I am willing to pay the the difference for better gas milage and performance for my vehicle.
tobasco Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:7,346 Points:2,109,085 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:44:21 PM Ignore tobasco Report Abuse Lose the subsidy. If you can't make it on your own, then too bad. Stop force feeding.
Amtrgas Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,678 Points:1,621,695 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:42:19 PM Ignore Amtrgas Report Abuse Ethanol is a BUST. Forget about it, and move on
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:556,230 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:42:12 PM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse Looks like Obama is doing us a favor with all the delays with E15, Thanks!
justmedc Veteran Author Michigan Posts:382 Points:174,045 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:38:04 PM Ignore justmedc Report Abuse ok
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,892 Points:1,919,340 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:34:57 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse Seems an awful lot of people are against ethanol. Too bad, they didn't all voice their concerns about it to their congressman and make it a political issue. We need our freedom back. Many of us don't have a choice at the pump and there is the "mandates" we need to get rid of! We don't need laws making them produce more ethanol that we don't need, so it is being exported! With the drought and corn drying up in the fields and prices rising, maybe that will be the end of ethanol profits? Either way, we get stuck at the store as everything is going up and up!
hlscaldera Rookie Author Texas Posts:18 Points:59,695 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:28:46 PM Ignore hlscaldera Report Abuse no more ethanol...
bowler360 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,975 Points:499,775 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:26:55 PM Ignore bowler360 Report Abuse whew.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,927 Points:1,575,955 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:26:41 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse food is not fuel
gilfarm Champion Author Alabama Posts:6,796 Points:1,948,840 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:25:31 PM Ignore gilfarm Report Abuse BAN E15!!!
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,576 Points:1,772,940 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:23:22 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Feed zee korn to zee aneemalz not zee karz. Green is red. Forced ethanol is stupid. It ought to be volutary. Mandates - the lifeblood of bureaucracy. Very Progressive.
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,232 Points:611,795 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:21:05 PM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse wow
SierraFaith Sophomore Author Arkansas Posts:185 Points:51,885 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:19:00 PM Ignore SierraFaith Report Abuse Ok
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,145 Points:1,883,670 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:18:41 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse Stop ethanhol particulally now with the drought.
diabloMN Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:335 Points:206,480 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:18:20 PM Ignore diabloMN Report Abuse will i have a choice at the gas station?
ManBat12 Sophomore Author Tacoma Posts:140 Points:14,520 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:15:42 PM Ignore ManBat12 Report Abuse ok
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,074 Points:1,670,300 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:14:44 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse I don't want any of it. Stop making it.
toadNY Champion Author Albany Posts:7,047 Points:1,514,125 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:12:39 PM Ignore toadNY Report Abuse WOW it didn't take that long to pass obama care! Which 63% or so are against.
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,758 Points:2,466,585 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:10:49 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse Good! No ethanol.
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,829 Points:1,431,725 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:08:43 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse Isn't the corn crop going in the tank a bad idea?
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,787 Points:645,260 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:06:10 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse Please don't do this to the U.S. consumer.
OntheroadagainVA Rookie Author Virginia Posts:54 Points:751,630 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:05:08 PM Ignore OntheroadagainVA Report Abuse Let them stay frustrated! Ethanol gives lower mileage, takes energy to produce (arguably more than it yields), raises the cost of food, and is bad for engines ....
esq262 Champion Author Asheville Posts:2,902 Points:648,490 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:04:59 PM Ignore esq262 Report Abuse Ethenol need to die a quick death.
EducatedShopper Sophomore Author Milwaukee Posts:106 Points:477,370 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:04:56 PM Ignore EducatedShopper Report Abuse Get rid of the d@@# thing
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,223 Points:518,850 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 10:01:42 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse No more ethanol.
menagerie1013 Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,365 Points:689,990 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:57:34 PM Ignore menagerie1013 Report Abuse Get rid of ethanol. Consumers do not want it.
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,804 Points:1,843,450 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:53:43 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse This is good. Get that garbage out of our fuel tanks. Let's put that corn back onto our tables and bring down our food costs.
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,270 Points:2,266,615 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:53:30 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse It is not so much the oil companies as it is we consumers do not want E15. Most of do not even want E10!
Godozo All-Star Author Gary Posts:671 Points:558,690 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:53:28 PM Ignore Godozo Report Abuse I have this theory that E10 exists because without it we'd be running low on gasoline. If one assumes that the Ethanol portion of the fuel incorporates energy from Hydroelectric, Nuclear, Wind, and Coal sources, what we're seeing is a 10% extension of our Gasoline stocks – and if you think your Expedition costs a lot of money to fuel now, imagine how much that thing would cost if we were suddenly stuck with but 90% of the gas we have on hand. Shift it up to E15, and you have another five percent extension of our Gasoline stocks. Yet more a subsidy of fuel – that much more we'd have to pay if every station had to go E0 (instead of having to go E15). If we were stuck with E0 nationwide, we'd have to REALLY consider investing in mass transit because a whole lot more people would be unable to afford gas. We'd probably also have better food as much of the farmland being used for corn would be used for raising vegetables.
OOXXFF Champion Author Greensboro Posts:3,063 Points:1,079,405 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:52:09 PM Ignore OOXXFF Report Abuse Good.
pecos Champion Author Columbus Posts:7,725 Points:2,112,285 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:48:44 PM Ignore pecos Report Abuse Ethanol was NEVER the answer.
Jeffro61 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,275 Points:2,286,055 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:42:33 PM Ignore Jeffro61 Report Abuse I wouldn't buy that crap.
Dennisjk Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,486 Points:1,925,450 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:38:10 PM Ignore Dennisjk Report Abuse Most consumers don't want that crap.
cupboy Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:2,787 Points:1,122,055 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:37:52 PM Ignore cupboy Report Abuse Ban corn farming in the USA: problem solved.
pbug101 Champion Author Georgia Posts:2,459 Points:579,900 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:37:11 PM Ignore pbug101 Report Abuse ok
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,310 Points:1,638,920 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:36:04 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse AH..TOO BAD! I DON'T WANT IT!
VanIsleLes All-Star Author British Columbia Posts:898 Points:276,995 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:35:15 PM Ignore VanIsleLes Report Abuse Complications
sneadmd Sophomore Author Dayton Posts:217 Points:221,975 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:32:36 PM Ignore sneadmd Report Abuse Interesting
125MPDay Sophomore Author Virginia Posts:227 Points:539,895 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:32:33 PM Ignore 125MPDay Report Abuse * The EPA is out of control. I should be able to pick E10, E15 or PURE GAS. In VA its regulated to E10 because basically Northern VA is so smoggy according to the EPA. So punish the whole State - typical Gument!!!! Here in VA the Gas Spouts are regulated!!! Think I'm kidding? http://www.ezpourspout.com/gascanorder.html Its crazy! As I spill gas everywhere trying to use the EPA regulated spout that literally takes THREE HANDS; I smell like gas, My shoes smell like gas, the GROUND smells like gas - BUT I'm glad the EPA is protecting ME!!! Can you say "Idiots" boys n girls... At least the typical Gument Stonewalling is working for the Public FOR ONCE!!! [Edited by: 125MPDay at 7/22/2012 10:36:30 PM EST]
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,212 Points:872,740 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:30:37 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse Good, I hope it stays out of reach, 10% ethanol is too much!
RooieOH Rookie Author Ohio Posts:35 Points:6,680 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:28:36 PM Ignore RooieOH Report Abuse ?
comprof Champion Author Houston Posts:6,864 Points:1,357,725 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 9:28:19 PM Ignore comprof Report Abuse The incompetents or idiots who put ethanol into fuels knowing it did engine damage and would lead to drastic increases in food prices, which hurt the poor and middle class worst, should be flogged daily and publicly at a whipping post. [Edited by: comprof at 7/22/2012 10:29:39 PM EST]