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Washington considers by-the-mile road fee system to replace gas tax

Oregon Live -- Facing steep declines in gas-tax revenues that pay for road repairs, Washington state is exploring a creative solution: charging drivers by the mile to use state highways and roads.

A committee of transportation experts recently concluded it's feasible to move the state away from gasoline taxes to a "pay as you go" road fee system for transportation.

Further steep declines are expected when fuel-efficiency standards passed last year by the Obama administration take effect, requiring automakers to nearly double the average gas mileage of all new cars and trucks by 2025.

"The gas tax is dwindling," Hammond said. "It would be irresponsible for us not to look ahead and take care of our system in the future."

Between 2007 and 2023, fuel tax revenues are projected to fall by more than $5 bi


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teenitup
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:04:52 PM

Unfortunately that won't happen Jeff4U. We never get one tax repealed in place of another, just added on. Tax dollars collected in say Wyoming just end up lining the pockets of mass transit in the big cities back east.
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Jeff4U
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:49:18 AM

As long as both fed and state taxes are removed at the gas pump....
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:29:12 AM

I understand why, but many details need to be worked out.
Biggest is if they put a per mile tax in place, the gas tax must go away completely. Also, larger vehicles need to pay more. A 5000 lb truck does more damage to roadways than a 600 lb motorcycle.
What if you drive out of state a lot? Why do I have to pay tax on miles not driven in the state while still paying fuel tax in another state.

I do find it ironic that the feds are mandating increased MPG and states are feeling a crunch from it.
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jeffbone
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:14:04 AM

As long as you left coasters keep that crap there...
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SkooterG
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:35:11 AM

Big Brother is coming. How ridiculous.
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tankumo
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 8:09:27 PM

How about reducing their salary and benefits, the lawmakers make so much money.

This way we can tax citizen less.

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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 7:17:49 PM

We need to say no to this. It will start and spread to every state. You will be tracked full time and you will not own the data.

[Edited by: ExplorerWA at 1/10/2013 8:18:27 PM EST]
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slowtrain
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:50:56 PM

NO!
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RAE344
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:14:04 PM

Really bad idea, everybody wearing tracking devices on their body so they can pay their per mile taxes.

Another choice is what is proposed in Virgina, get rid of the gas tax and replace it with a small increase in the state sales tax. Better then having to wear a traking device all day.
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pliskin
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:11:16 PM

Let's see Oregon, Washington, who's next?
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Isea11
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:01:41 PM

I believe that this is the third or fourth time the article has been posted.
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TheThorn
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:00:29 PM

i repeat, let's just all move to DC and go on the dole. that would save the highways and everything except they would have to spray down the highways occasionally with some of the left over agent orange to keep down the weeds.
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TheSnowstorm
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:52:38 PM

Steep declines? C'mon, get real. If most states actually had realistic gas taxes, they would not necessarily be in the state of affairs that they are in.

I do realize that with less people driving and more fuel efficient vehicles out there; there is less gas tax revenue being collected. But this could offer a means to address the issue of vehicles that cause the same where and tear to the road system, all the while consuming less fuel or none at all (hybrids and EVs).
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tco9436
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:50:52 PM

ok
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snarkysmarko
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:48:50 PM

please don't
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DancingDee
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:45:21 PM

NO, NO, AND AGAIN NO!!!!
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MotoDad
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:45:20 PM

Flat tax shared by all.
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nigelb
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:45:14 PM

BobbyVA spews his usual stock political diatribe! The article pertains to Washington STATE! It has nothing at all to do with the President. Oh, and the only thing worse than tax and spend Democrats are spend and spend and increase the deficit RepubliTWITS! Remember the Bush administration?
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kacansas
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:45:05 PM

Sounds like an impossible system. Why not just make I-5 a toll road plus any other controlled access multi lane highway. If they do this how are they going to know where you drive except by GPS. Equipping cars with GPS would cost 10's of millions and how do they pay for that??
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:43:53 PM

Why don't they just call it what it is? Toll road!
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balljars
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:42:49 PM

Not a good idea.
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4warned
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:41:33 PM

Could happen.
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singlemom27
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:41:01 PM

So they propose to convert freeways into turnpikes. This is not new thinking; it is very old thinking.
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fedupMN
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:37:00 PM

Blah, blah, blah... never happen
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johton
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:36:31 PM

This state will do anything it can to get money from the citizens. Of course that's what they must want, because they keep voting them in.
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katmandue
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:34:30 PM

sounds good got to pay for the roads some way
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bearzz
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:31:41 PM

Gas tax is dwindling and it could be due to the cost of gasoline . . . duh. People didn't use to consider making those extra runs to the store, etc. I definitely try to combine my trips as much as possible (due to cost of gasoline). By the mileage, a better deal for low mileage drivers like me . . . I'd be curious about the math.
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mrmike75
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:28:12 PM

the poor trucking companies will bear the brunt of that fluke idea. then all of the high fees they pay will be passed onto consumers through higher prices on goods. it will never end...
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Alfied
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:25:36 PM

Go for it. Out of staters won't pay anything.
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BobbyVA
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:25:15 PM

Liberal Progressive TAX & SPEND Dems are ruining this country!!!!!!!!! Seems they only tax the middle class which is directly contrary to what Obuma sezs.
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gaspumpin
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:25:11 PM

This is nuts---if they want us too save gas, of course they will get less taxes!
They can't have it both ways.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:20:35 PM

Left coast loons.
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sivart
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:18:30 PM

From a state that uses taxes to help finance the ferries and a lot of taxpayers never see a ferry! The frequent users who buy passes get them at a big discount! I believe it it cost $25.00 to ride then that should be what the price is for every-one!
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mycar2
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:17:47 PM

problem is they won't let that tax money go away, someone will want it, it will just add up
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:16:52 PM

Just stay home.
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The_DR
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:15:00 PM

Is anything for free anymore?
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stevencr
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:14:31 PM

This is being discussed in every state. It is going to e difficult it impliment.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:13:56 PM

nothing new...
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:13:04 PM

OK
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CharlieC08
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:13:01 PM

Sounds good but if Washington runs it it won't be good.
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mikaye
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:06:56 PM

as soon as people go with alternative fuel, start charging road tax. there will be no savings so why bother buying electric
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USMC_0411
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:04:58 PM

Wow
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doggod
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:03:11 PM

In other words, turn all the roads into toll roads, which leads to the question: why not just sell the roads, use the proceeds to fund capital expenditures in other areas, and let businesses compete for road users by charging the lowest fees possible and making the roads the best they can be.

For those of you who who were taught in government schools, that's the benefit of competition versus monopoly. The State is the extreme version of a monopoly ... one empowered to kill you if you don't obey. So it's no surprise there is constant dissatisfaction with the roads they own and operate; they have little incentive to do anything better or more efficiently. If they run out of money they can just hold a gun to your head and reach deeper into your pockets.

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OOXXFF
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:01:36 PM

This sounds like it may be a bookkeeping nightmare.
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bluetruck54
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:01:12 PM

based on a "panel of experts"......there is the first mistake

and we know what's going to happen in 2023?????? I struggle with this notion that "fuel ecomony and less miles driven"
is the REAL reason for this massive loss of revenue. think maybe
the funds are being directed to "non-transportation" items??????
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jay93LA
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:00:44 PM

old
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ScottTee
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:58:53 PM

screw the by the mile plan, that would suck!
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:58:29 PM

As long as it's self-reported.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:54:26 PM

There's too many 'What if ... " scenarios to really comment on right now. I'll wait until someone comes up with solid proposal on how to implement this before I shoot it full of holes.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:54:11 PM

ok
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