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Your Mileage May Vary, Automakers Admit

Forbes -- The fuel economy mileage that appears on window stickers of new vehicles is calculated through a test that puts a vehicle through a standardized drive cycle designed by the EPA. The EPA then relies on auto manufacturers to conduct the test, and certifies that the vehicles have been tested. The goal is to give consumers a valid comparison point between different vehicles, so if one is shopping for a new Ford C-Max or a Toyota Prius, the numbers for fuel economy can be accurately gauged.

At least that’s the goal. Already this year the EPA audited Hyundai and Kia after receiving consumer complaints about the fuel economy figures. The audit found that Hyundai and Kia have fudged mileage claims in order to achieve 40 mpg, in some cases by as many as 6 mpg. This resulted in the combined co


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bston
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:13:22 PM

Yep, once again the good old EPA's involved!
TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:47:40 PM

Needless to say. And judging by the maniacs that live around me, getting good gas mileage is the last thing on their minds (if they have them)!
APlus
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:05:58 AM

Real roads with real drivers at least 100 drivers on real roads over 1 year could be used to determine actual miles per gallon - is how I would like it to be. Though I dream on as automakers fail to meet in real life high miles per gallon for most drivers.
blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:20:59 AM

so is that what "estimated" MPG means?
I have been able to get better than EPA estimates (but still within the listed range on the sticker) on all my vehicles I have owned by driveing conservatly.
leeac
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:50:06 AM

Calculating miles per gallon is too simple. Fill the tank. Drive. Fill the tank. Divide miles driven by gallons of fuel used. Too simple. Punish those that lie about MPG.

[Edited by: leeac at 1/11/2013 5:50:38 AM EST]
clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 11:02:18 PM

It seems with all the MPG competition more and more automakers are fudging their numbers.
alterman156
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 10:06:04 PM

This is true.
lesndave
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 9:45:00 PM

No kidding!
BobBG
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 9:02:35 PM

Hyundai is now paying me because my Elantra doesn't get the 40mpg that they claimed.
cmgodwin
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 8:44:12 PM

Why risk your company's reputation on fudged numbers when consumers are expecting accuracy & honesty?
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 5:09:58 PM

WOW
JDchefF
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:57:32 PM

Duuuhhhh, You think! ! ! About time they get a clue about this.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:56:42 PM

Yes but the MPG on the sticker should be attainable
slowtrain
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 4:51:42 PM

No kidding?
nigelb
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:48:05 PM

I would think everyone knows by now that "your mileage may vary."
4warned
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:43:17 PM

I usually do better.
singlemom27
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:42:13 PM

That's a statement of the obvious.
katmandue
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:39:07 PM

auto use best case to set their mpg by but no one drives like that in real life.
mrmike75
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:31:35 PM

those numbers are jusy a ploy to get consumers to buy the cars. they are estimates not factual numbers.
crep1291
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:31:32 PM

Car companies cannot provide fuel economy figures for every possible operating condition. The list would be too long. Perhaps the EPA should add a few tests to account for such factors as:
- Temperature, use of AC and heaters
- Aggressiveness of driver
- Driving at higher altitudes
- Driving in rain
larharris2
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:31:15 PM

Do ya think???
gaspumpin
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:28:12 PM

Bearzz is right.
BobbyVA
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:28:02 PM

Bet they check all the motor corps. except Govt Motors (GM)! Its the way of politicians.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:28:00 PM

Of course.
bearzz
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:26:49 PM

Duh, let's be reasonable. Those stats are for conservative driving, no jack rabbit starts and stops, etc. Many many people do not drive at those optimum conditions and are not going to get the mileage posted. I listened to a car pro and he indicated it could be done but most people's driving habits negate the optimum.
PontiacFan
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:25:12 PM

Derr, if you needed Forbes to tell you this you shouldn't be driving. Less stupid people will improve the roads for me, and I'm the only one that matters.

FYI, the automakers never said YOU will get those MPGs, just that the car is is CAPABLE of it.
sivart
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:23:31 PM

I use that sticker as a guide and I don't believe for a minute that is the millage that I will get!
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:23:15 PM

On Jan 10, 2013 3:10:46 PM, OOXXFF wrote:

>I wonder how many manufacturers are giving us honest millage figures?

Federal Test Procedure 75 was never intended to produce real-world mileage figures. It was designed to maximally stress the emissions control system. Truth be told, the auto manufacturers are just as frustrated with FTP-75 as are vehicle owners.
ChuckGVT
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:22:11 PM

OK.
07skydriver
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:19:18 PM

Mileage gets better every time you .............
.....just stay home.
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:17:36 PM

On Jan 10, 2013 2:30:24 PM, caddilac wrote:

>Everyone is, or should be aware, that the auto companies
>get their mileage ON A CLOSED CIRCUIT using a professional
>driver, WITH NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS OR TRAFFIC to impede
>the constant speed of the vehicle.

LOL Canada making misrepresentations about Federal Test Procedure 75. There are speedups, slowdowns, and idling in the procedure. It is NOT bringing the vehicle to a constant steady speed and holding it there.

tnfran
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:17:32 PM

A LOT depends on the driver behind the wheel!!
stevencr
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:17:22 PM

We don't Forbes to tell us this, most people already know that the MPG on the sticker is crap.
The_DR
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:16:49 PM

Cheats and liars.
mgheim
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:15:26 PM

ok
Mariuxus
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:14:52 PM

ok...
CharlieC08
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:14:37 PM

Key word is MAY.
7SPEEDY7
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:13:56 PM

Interesting!
mycar2
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:13:49 PM

works when you don't try to bend the system
OOXXFF
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:10:46 PM

I wonder how many manufacturers are giving us honest millage figures?
mikaye
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:08:37 PM

you really believe automakers will tell the truth about mpg when they are not checked up on niave
USMC_0411
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:05:48 PM

Ok
jay93LA
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:04:48 PM

hard to believe there is a standard
bluetruck54
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:02:50 PM

does the EPA know (or care) how stupid they make themselves look????
CityCouponer
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 3:01:31 PM

More like "Your mileage won't even be close."
ScottTee
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:59:43 PM

understatement
Martillo
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:55:33 PM

ok
marsbars
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:54:29 PM

Maybe the test drives should be done by regular drivers like you and me.
Cappuccino1
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:47:11 PM

Relying on auto manufacturers to conduct the test is like having the foxes guarding the chickens.
blazerbob91
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:46:28 PM

Don't believe any salesman.
dudleydolittle
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 2:45:14 PM

Old................
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